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I'm going to make a wild guess and predict that Oleg Shatov wasn't more interested in slagging off Spartak Moscow than celebrating Zenit winning the title.
...and now we read of 1,200 workers deaths building that stadium in Qatar.Imported workers treated like slaves.
Will they still go ahead with staging the World Cup there after all this has come to light?Makes me wonder how many died building West Ham's new arena........
Musa Yahaya has gone viral with some of his tricks against Brazil in the U20 World Cup: http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2015/6/1/8697409/musa-yahaya-nigeria-u20-world-cup-spurs
Since I brought the tournament up, Veljkovic and Carter Vickers both had 90 minutes in their teams' opening fixtures - Serbia losing 1-0 to Uruguay while C-V got an assist as the US beat Myanmar 2-1
Since I brought the tournament up, Veljkovic and Carter Vickers both had 90 minutes in their teams' opening fixtures - Serbia losing 1-0 to Uruguay while C-V got an assist as the US beat Myanmar 2-1
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Does this guy (Jack somebody or other) realise how stupid he looks? A definite ****** if I have ever seen one who looks pumped up on some very funny substances!!
While there is no doubt that conditions for immigrant workers in Qatar are poor, at least by European standards, that particular number is very hard to interpret. One in about 1000 British men aged 30-40 die every year. There are 1.4m immigrant workers in Qatar so well over a thousand are bound to die every year even if they were as healthy and treated as well as the average UK male. The only data I can find on construction site safety in Qatar suggests that work-related death rates are only a little worse than in the US (which is a lot worse than the EU).
Really? I wouldn’t be shocked, but do you have a link, statistics, etc? I would have guessed work-related death rates in the US and the EU are similar. In fact, to judge from my experience of Lisnave, I might guess Portugal by itself pushes the EU past the US.
"Overall, researchers said, the EU rate for worker fatalities in the main industry branches was 2.8 deaths per 100,000 employees. The U.S. rate was equivalent to 3.1 deaths per 100,000 employees."
So fairly similar, apparently, if you trust the source. The study also notes that the stats are gathered somewhat differently in the US and EU.
http://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/10675-study-compares-worker-deaths-in-us-eu
Also: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14502766
Daily fatal occupational injury numbers were similar in both: about 17 workers die per day, but average annual work-related death rates were higher in the U.S.
CONCLUSIONS:
There are enough differences to allow direct comparisons between both systems. CFOI is likely to be more comprehensive than ESAW. It is conceivable that the true number of fatal occupational injuries in the European Union (E.U.) could be higher, and thus the apparent difference in U.S. and E.U. fatal injury rates may be an artifact of the different surveillance systems.
So fairly similar, apparently, if you trust the source. The study also notes that the stats are gathered somewhat differently in the US and EU.
http://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/10675-study-compares-worker-deaths-in-us-eu
Also: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14502766
Daily fatal occupational injury numbers were similar in both: about 17 workers die per day, but average annual work-related death rates were higher in the U.S.
CONCLUSIONS:
There are enough differences to allow direct comparisons between both systems. CFOI is likely to be more comprehensive than ESAW. It is conceivable that the true number of fatal occupational injuries in the European Union (E.U.) could be higher, and thus the apparent difference in U.S. and E.U. fatal injury rates may be an artifact of the different surveillance systems.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Maybe there are 1000 men aged between 30-40 who die every year in the UK. However, they die, I assume, for a large variety of reasons and causes. Suicides, fatal car or bike accidents, etc. the workers in Qatar are all dying from the same cause - maltreatment!
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Spurs announced as competitors in the 2015 Audi Cup, along with Bayern, Milan...and Los Ladrones de Madrid: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/club-to-compete-in-2015-audi-cup-030615/
Are we actually going to have time for pre-season friendlies with all these mini-tournaments we're in?
Are we actually going to have time for pre-season friendlies with all these mini-tournaments we're in?
No doubt someone should step in and enforce rest periods for football players, if the good of the game is the idea. US sports have 5-6 months of off-season, so even with a couple of months of training, exhibitions and whatnot, players still get 3-4 months actual rest. Funny how US athletes shine into their late thirties, for the most part. That and the fact that you hardly need to get off your fat ass to play an American sport.
However: playing Real and Bale, then either Bayern or Inter? They’re as interesting as pre-season games could be. The last time we played Real, we got destroyed by a future Spur (not to mention done in by a future Stoke striker). How could Bale not score against our defense, other than spraining an ankle walking onto the field? Do you think Modric will have a point to prove? I would love for us to do well and worry we’ll lose badly. In any case, I thought we made a serious mistake last season in playing nothing but weaker teams. Better to get the reality check before the games count.
However: playing Real and Bale, then either Bayern or Inter? They’re as interesting as pre-season games could be. The last time we played Real, we got destroyed by a future Spur (not to mention done in by a future Stoke striker). How could Bale not score against our defense, other than spraining an ankle walking onto the field? Do you think Modric will have a point to prove? I would love for us to do well and worry we’ll lose badly. In any case, I thought we made a serious mistake last season in playing nothing but weaker teams. Better to get the reality check before the games count.
Just above the chart the article says: "And it's tough to do an apples-to-apples comparison here, since the Qatar estimates include the deaths of all migrant workers after the announcement of Qatar's successful bid in 2010, while other countries' figures may only include deaths directly related to, say, stadium construction."
Most people who die don't die from accidents/mistreatment so this makes the whole chart meaningless.
All I am doing is trying to point out the misuse of statistics. The 1200 deaths quoted is the total number of deaths in the Qatar migrant population from all causes as far as I can see. Implying that these are related to constructing football stadia is just wrong.
This article is reasonably balanced http://i100.independent.co.uk/artic...ous-statement-on-world-cup-deaths--bJHz7rFTxx
I found my data a while ago and can't seem to retrieve it now. I think I used the data for lation and hispanic workers in the US which was a lot higher than overall death rates. And I think it might have been just the UK not the EU. I think the rate was less than 2 in the UK and about 10 for latino and hispanic workers in the US
It all has to be estimates, because the Qataris deny there have been any deaths and arrest reporters that try to look into it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32775563
Ah yes, silly me. These thousands of deaths are purely coincidental to the fact that Qatar is hurriedly trying to build many stadia as quickly as possible to accomodate their recent purchase!
I'm not trying to say that the way migrant workers are treated in Qatar is good or even that they have sensible safety measures in place in their construction industry. But the data being used to support the opposite conjecture is not even an estimate of the deaths from construction. Its an estimate of the total death rate in the population. The only hypothesis that the data seems to support is that the death rate of the population of Qatari immigrant workers is about the same as the death rate of the UK workforce. That would be a very surprising result actually as I would expect it to be much worse.....