Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

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So according to UIR, the Tories will run the country right. If that doesn't scare you nothing will <yikes>

Right? I doubt that. Its impossible as some will always feel aggrieved no matter what. Thats the nature of it.

What they will do is make the tough calls that others wouldnt. Decisions that may take away from some but reward others.
 
Labour have never brought a living wage and to have one, business needs to be doing well in the first place. Many business owners are anti labour because they are unrealistic.

Zero hour contracts. I had one once. Under labour controlled government. It wasnt pleasant so yes.

The bottom line have to go to foodbanks. People got crisis loans in the past. Turns out people have always struggled, no matter who is in charge.

As for the 1% comment. Welcome to sisu territory. Torys are good for business, this is true. However a thriving business sector is good for the economy which in turn is good for the people. It all trickles down. Will the people at the top stay at the top? Yes. Would that be the case of labour won? Yes.

Labour are a gutless party who try to please all sides but ultimately end up alienating the many. That's not how you run a country.




it's actually more like 0.000001% mate.



Tories are good for business alright, not yours tho. <laugh>
 
Right? I doubt that. Its impossible as some will always feel aggrieved no matter what. Thats the nature of it.

What they will do is make the tough calls that others wouldnt. Decisions that may take away from some but reward others.
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Labour have never brought a living wage and to have one, business needs to be doing well in the first place. Many business owners are anti labour because they are unrealistic.

Zero hour contracts. I had one once. Under labour controlled government. It wasnt pleasant so yes.

The bottom line have to go to foodbanks. People got crisis loans in the past. Turns out people have always struggled, no matter who is in charge.

As for the 1% comment. Welcome to sisu territory. Torys are good for business, this is true. However a thriving business sector is good for the economy which in turn is good for the people. It all trickles down. Will the people at the top stay at the top? Yes. Would that be the case of labour won? Yes.

Labour are a gutless party who try to please all sides but ultimately end up alienating the many. That's not how you run a country.
Exactly. Because it's always been the rich and powerful who have been in charge and made the decisions to suit themselves.
There has never been anything like a society built around fairness and equal opportunity (and probably never will be) no matter how often politicians bandy those words about.
Is the concept of social evolution beyond you? If you keep holding up the politics of the dark ages as normal and acceptable, then in the dark ages we'll remain.
The law of the jungle has applied throughout history, but if we ever want to free ourselves from it we have to look for better alternatives. If however, you take the "I'm alright, Jack so everything's good" attitude then things never will improve.

" Trickle down". Really? <laugh>
 
Apart from the obvious headlines (Tories getting an unexpected majority, SNP avalanche, Libdem demolition, bigwigs losing their seats), the striking feature for me is :

UKIP: 3m+ votes - 1 seat

SNP: 3m+ votes - 56 seats


I dislike UKIP, their members and their policies but my point is that the system is inherently unfair. How can the parties sitting the same election and the same parliament be so differently represented? Is it not time to look at our first past the post system?
 
Im a working class northerner from Burnley. I habe no millions or gold and have no family in places of influence.

If I can be fine, Infact doing rather well, and everyone I know is better off now than under labour.... Its a pretty simple choice.

Don't insult the town of your birth, Burnley has been royally shat on by Tory policies.


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Arts, Culture & Heritage
According to the latest national indicator statistics, only 31% of adults across Burnley engage regularly in the arts, compared to 45% nationally.


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The average pre-tax personal income in Burnley is the third lowest in Lancashire at just £20,400 - £7,000 below the national average.


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The cancer mortality rate, the circulatory disease mortality rate and the infant mortality rate in Burnley are all above the national and regional and averages.


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Burnley has the highest percentage of vacant homes in Lancashire at 7.4% (compared to 3.1% nationally).


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For every 100 newly registered businesses in Burnley, on average 10 close within their first year.


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Burnley suffers from a high crime rate with figures in 2011/12 indicating there were 49.9 offences recorded per 1,000 people - compared to 36.3 in Lancashire and 38 in England & Wales.


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24% of residents over the age of 60 live below the poverty line in Burnley.


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18.5% of people in Burnley give some form of unpaid help at least once a month, the lowest rate in Lancashire.


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Don't insult the town of your birth, Burnley has been royally shat on by Tory policies.


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According to the latest national indicator statistics, only 31% of adults across Burnley engage regularly in the arts, compared to 45% nationally.


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The cancer mortality rate, the circulatory disease mortality rate and the infant mortality rate in Burnley are all above the national and regional and averages.


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Burnley has the highest percentage of vacant homes in Lancashire at 7.4% (compared to 3.1% nationally).


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For every 100 newly registered businesses in Burnley, on average 10 close within their first year.


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Burnley suffers from a high crime rate with figures in 2011/12 indicating there were 49.9 offences recorded per 1,000 people - compared to 36.3 in Lancashire and 38 in England & Wales.


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24% of residents over the age of 60 live below the poverty line in Burnley.


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Wrong. Labour has destroyed Burnley. Disappointingly they won the Burnley seat though. Pendle to the tories though. Good news for them.
 
Exactly. Because it's always been the rich and powerful who have been in charge and made the decisions to suit themselves.
There has never been anything like a society built around fairness and equal opportunity (and probably never will be) no matter how often politicians bandy those words about.
Is the concept of social evolution beyond you? If you keep holding up the politics of the dark ages as normal and acceptable, then in the dark ages we'll remain.
The law of the jungle has applied throughout history, but if we ever want to free ourselves from it we have to look for better alternatives. If however, you take the "I'm alright, Jack so everything's good" attitude then things never will improve.

" Trickle down". Really? <laugh>

Good luck changing mans fundamental biology. We are programmed to look after our families first and foremost. It's selfish really when you think about it, but then survival is about being selfish.
Apart from the obvious headlines (Tories getting an unexpected majority, SNP avalanche, Libdem demolition, bigwigs losing their seats), the striking feature for me is :

UKIP: 3m+ votes - 1 seat

SNP: 3m+ votes - 56 seats


I dislike UKIP, their members and their policies but my point is that the system is inherently unfair. How can the parties sitting the same election and the same parliament be so differently represented? Is it not time to look at our first past the post system?

Well I think one of the things the tory's are trying to do is reduce the number of seats to 600 from 650, to create a more "fair" representation. As for a look at our system, there was a referendum on AV a few years back - didn't go so well :/
 
Apart from the obvious headlines (Tories getting an unexpected majority, SNP avalanche, Libdem demolition, bigwigs losing their seats), the striking feature for me is :

UKIP: 3m+ votes - 1 seat

SNP: 3m+ votes - 56 seats


I dislike UKIP, their members and their policies but my point is that the system is inherently unfair. How can the parties sitting the same election and the same parliament be so differently represented? Is it not time to look at our first past the post system?

The SNP stat means nothing, most of Scotland is rural and has very few electors compared to the large cities, most of the Tory vote comes from rural areas of England.

Its all about proportional representation (or the lack of it)
 
Apart from the obvious headlines (Tories getting an unexpected majority, SNP avalanche, Libdem demolition, bigwigs losing their seats), the striking feature for me is :

UKIP: 3m+ votes - 1 seat

SNP: 3m+ votes - 56 seats


I dislike UKIP, their members and their policies but my point is that the system is inherently unfair. How can the parties sitting the same election and the same parliament be so differently represented? Is it not time to look at our first past the post system?

It,s actually...

UKIP; 3,811,896 votes and 1 seat (3,811,896 votes per seat)

SNP; 1,454,436 votes and 56 seats (25,972 vps)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results


There is also...

Democratic Unionist Party; 184,260 votes and 8 seats (23,032vps)

Plaid Cymru; 181,694 votes and 3 seats (60,565vps)

Sinn Fein; 176,232 votes and 4 seats (43,058vps)

Ulster Unionist Party; 114,935 votes and 2 seats (57,468vps)

Social Democratic & Labour Party; 99,809 votes and 3 seats (33,270vps)

...all make a mockery of UKIPS figures.
 
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Also UKIP got 4 million votes to SNPs 1.5 million, that's quite incredible really
 
Wrong. Labour has destroyed Burnley. Disappointingly they won the Burnley seat though. Pendle to the tories though. Good news for them.

You don't live there now so don't be trying to change the reality of the place to suit your contentment under the Tories.
Did Labour shut down the mines at Halton Valley and start the decline?, no, it was your Tory Party.

Your "I'm alright jack" will come back and bite you on the arse, the sooner the better.<whistle>
 
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Obviously what is being is said is Westminster is bending over backwards to give representation to minor regions of the UK

Scotland had 50/50 vote on SNP pet project

Were were the 50% yesterday? Off thinking that they would get more out of SNP power than labour power

Now they get nothing

All tories need is lib dem suicide pact to hold power and they could even deal with ni parties for a very cheap payment to rule move
 
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