Off Topic N Ireland

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Can of worms could be opening up over this. Sky news are interviewing my business partner who's father was killed in Enniskillen and there's a lot of information being released. There's major news coming out about the good Friday agreement and the 'on the runs'.

That's all I'm allowed to say for now :emoticon-0127-lipss
 
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It's only my opinion, of course, but over to Billy and Commachio. Whatever them lad's say, I'm for it. I'm British, end of.
 
The Relic said:
It's only my opinion, of course, but over to Billy and Commachio. Whatever them lad's say, I'm for it. I'm British, end of.
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He's being interviewed at 11am tomorrow, not sure if its live or not. Our government and certain deals make me sick to my stomach. Blair is a twat <ok>
 
Safc83 said:
Can of worms could be opening up over this. Sky news are interviewing my business partner who's father was killed in Enniskillen and there's a lot of information being released. There's major news coming out about the good Friday agreement and the 'on the runs'.

That's all I'm allowed to say for now :emoticon-0127-lipss
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We are a country in transition that still have many hurdles to overcome but atleast we are still moving in the right direction. This may still take a generation as there is still a lot of hurt and lack of trust. Like any country coming out of a long conflict the conflict resolution will often be unpalatable to one side or the other at some stage but IMO if this stops the mindless killing it is price worth paying. However I will say we should always remember the victims which come from both sides.
 
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SAFC_Derry said:
We are a country in transition that still have many hurdles to overcome but atleast we are still moving in the right direction. This may still take a generation as there is still a lot of hurt and lack of trust. Like any country coming out of a long conflict the conflict resolution will often be unpalatable to one side or the other at some stage but IMO if this stops the mindless killing it is price worth paying. However I will say we should always remember the victims which come from both sides.
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My niece, who's with the MOD, was just back for the West Ham game and is currently in Belfast.

She's openly English and to do with the military but has no major problems ....... things must be improving.
 
Safc83 said:
He's being interviewed at 11am tomorrow, not sure if its live or not. Our government and certain deals make me sick to my stomach. Blair is a twat <ok>
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What ever deals were done and regardless of the people who got away with things that they shouldn't have, the fact is that it actually stopped the mass murders and bombings that were happening on a regular basis...For that I will always give Blair credit for, whatever comes out in the wash..
 
MrRAWhite said:
What ever deals were done and regardless of the people who got away with things that they shouldn't have, the fact is that it actually stopped the mass murders and bombings that were happening on a regular basis...For that I will always give Blair credit for, whatever comes out in the wash..
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I agree, if we start picking out certain sections of the deal it opens up a massive can of worms which can lead to one of our famous sayings WHATABOUTERY! This can lead to a vicious cycle of the blame game from state killings to collusion, believe me NO one can take the moral high ground in this conflict apart from the innocent victims who through no fault of their own got caught up on it.
 
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SAFC_Derry said:
I agree, if we start picking out certain sections of the deal it opens up a massive can of worms which can lead to one of our famous sayings WHATABOUTERY! This can lead to a vicious cycle of the blame game from state killings to collusion, believe me NO one can take the moral high ground in this conflict apart from the innocent victims who through no fault of their own got caught up on it.
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Amen.
 
I have no idea what's going on here. I don't know if people are posting cryptically or whether I'm just too young to pick up on a lot of this stuff but I'm confused.

Billy hits a nail on the head above there though, touchy subject... Beware anyone who treads into a discussion thinking they know a lot about it.
 
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A Northern Soul Disco said:
I have no idea what's going on here. I don't know if people are posting cryptically or whether I'm just too young to pick up on a lot of this stuff but I'm confused.

Billy hits a nail on the head above there though, touchy subject... Beware anyone who treads into a discussion thinking they know a lot about it.
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A potted history lesson about it. When Ireland was split in 1923 the North remained British but the catholics who lived within it had no civil rights so they therefore had no influence. Indeed they could not be appointed to any government controlled job such as police and if they rented from a protestant then the landlord was given their votes. About 1967 or so enter Bernadette Devlin a campaigner for the right to vote and equal rights for catholics and she was beginning to make leeway and eventually got the vote for catholics and was elected as an MP. About 1970 enter the IRA with the bombs and bullets and it took off from there strongly supported by Irish American contributions.

It took 9/11 for all terrorist organisations to be outlawed and Blair got Georgedubbya to include the IRA.
 
Nostalgic said:
A potted history lesson about it. When Ireland was split in 1923 the North remained British but the catholics who lived within it had no civil rights so they therefore had no influence. Indeed they could not be appointed to any government controlled job such as police and if they rented from a protestant then the landlord was given their votes. About 1967 or so enter Bernadette Devlin a campaigner for the right to vote and equal rights for catholics and she was beginning to make leeway and eventually got the vote for catholics and was elected as an MP. About 1970 enter the IRA with the bombs and bullets and it took off from there strongly supported by Irish American contributions.

It took 9/11 for all terrorist organisations to be outlawed and Blair got Georgedubbya to include the IRA.
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Take that back about 60 years and you may have a point <ok>

IIRC Catholics had the vote, and MP's, when they instigated a civil war in the 1920's*

* Just guessing there and I've had a drink <ok>
 
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Take that back about 60 years and you may have a point <ok>
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If the point is the lead up to the situation that was in the OP then I am happy with what I have said. Fully aware of the history of Ireland but this is about the latest set of troubles and how it applied to Northern Ireland.
 
Nostalgic said:
If the point is the lead up to the situation that was in the OP then I am happy with what I have said. Fully aware of the history of Ireland but this is about the latest set of troubles and how it applied to Northern Ireland.
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My point is that the IRA have used bullets & bombs, or the threat of those two things, since well before 1970.

There's barely been a year, from 1916 to 1969, 1970 and beyond when the IRA weren't 'active'.
 
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