Adam johnson arrested

[Smug in Boots]

Even still, Do you not agree with the last part of my last post.
Because a sexual attraction to a post pubescent 15 year old (like, allegedly, in AJ's case) in my view should not be considered in the same category as Ian Watkins (who raped a 1 year old child ) putting the two in the same category is not right imo.

You're not making a direct comparison though ... one is a mere attraction whereas the other is a violent crime.

I could be attracted to my wife's sister which may be unwise but it's no crime.

 

[Bodinki]

You're not making a direct comparison though ... one is a mere attraction whereas the other is a violent crime.

I could be attracted to my wife's sister which may be unwise but it's no crime.

Well in AJ's case (if guilty) he acted on that attraction too.
But there is a clear difference.....putting both acts under one umbrella (as people who throw about the term "****" so often do) is not right, it can't be.
A 15 year old, while not legally able to give consent, will at least have an understanding of whats happening and what they are undertaking.......a 1 year old...just......it's not even close to the same thing....

 

[Smug in Boots]

Well in AJ's case (if guilty) he acted on that attraction too.
But there is a clear difference.....putting both acts under one umbrella (as people who throw about the term "****" so often do) is not right, it can't be.
A 15 year old, while not legally able to give consent, will at least have an understanding of whats happening and what they are undertaking.......a 1 year old...just......it's not even close to the same thing....

I didn't say it was the same thing but neither is a mere attraction and a rape.

In any case *****phile, in general parlance, is usually and simply used an an insult, not a clinical definition.

If that lack of distinction, between rarely used terms, makes you angry then perhaps the problem lies within.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Am I missing something here?

Durham Police said a 27-year-old had been arrested on suspicion of 'sexual activity' with a girl under 16.

BBC News said, Adam Johnson arrested on suspicion of 'sex' with girl, 15.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31702374

It's in the same article ffs

 

[Bodinki]

I didn't say it was the same thing but neither is a mere attraction and a rape.

In any case *****phile, in general parlance, is usually and simply used an an insult, not a clinical definition.

If that lack of distinction, between rarely used terms, makes you angry then perhaps the problem lies within.

I said annoyed, which means slightly irritated.
And no it doesnt "lie within".
The manner in which the term is used , as an insult or a clinical defintion, is irrelevant, by using that term, you are still stating that both individuals are guilty of the same crime, whether you mean to or not.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I said annoyed, which means slightly irritated.
And no it doesnt "lie within".
The manner in which the term is used , as an insult or a clinical defintion, is irrelevant, by using that term, you are still stating that both individuals are guilty of the same crime, whether you mean to or not.

You seem quite keen on deciding on the definition of words, couldn't annoyed mean irritated rather than just 'slightly'?

an·noy
(ə-noi′)
tr.v. an·noyed, an·noy·ing, an·noys
1. To cause irritation to (another); make somewhat angry.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/annoyed

It's a matter of perception I'd say

 

[Bodinki]

Here's another definition:
Pedantic
excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

What exactly are you trying to say or do lad? Because I am a little confused as to your intentions here.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Here's another definition:
Pedantic
excessively concerned with minor details or rules; overscrupulous.

What exactly are you trying to say or do lad? Because I am a little confused as to your intentions here.

patronising - (used of behaviour or attitude) characteristic of those who treat others with condescension.

Intentions ......... I'm merely correcting the assumptions in your declarations, I have no intentions.

Surely it's permissible to discuss things on a discussion forum or do you believe your word is sacrosanct?

There's a big difference between being pedantic and precise

 

[Bodinki]

patronising - (used of behaviour or attitude) characteristic of those who treat others with condescension.

Intentions ......... I'm merely correcting the assumptions in your declarations, I have no intentions.

Surely it's permissible to discuss things on a discussion forum or do you believe your word is sacrosanct?

Yes but you seem less concerned with discussing the story and more about being argumentative and making bizarre assumptions about the problem "lying within", (making it personal) when my level of annoyance on that matter really wasn't the point.

Do you disagree with what I was saying about different classifications of criminal acts depending on the age of the victim (which was my point) or do you just want to argue about how annoyed it makes me and try to determine my mental state based on an forum post?

 

[marcusblackcat]

So iff a15 year old cannot consent to sex, who is guilty if both parties are 15 as I was when I lost my virginity?

Also who is guilty if age was not given (and you look like most 15 yo girls do nowadays) and consent was? If it is not obvious, and you are in a place where, by law, you have to be over 18, and are only 15 years old, who is guilty?

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yes but you seem less concerned with discussing the story and more about being argumentative and making bizarre assumptions about the problem "lying within", (making it personal) when my level of annoyance on that matter really wasn't the point.

Do you disagree with what I was saying about different classifications of criminal acts depending on the age of the victim (which was my point) or do you just want to argue about how annoyed it makes me and try to determine my mental state based on an forum post?

I'm much more concerned with 'the story'.

However, it's quite possible to discuss 'the story' and make observations of someone's posts at the same time.

How your post regarding the use of the word *****phile is concerned with 'the story' is anyone's guess.

I don't recall anyone using the word prior to yourself so why bring it into the discussion if you don't wish people to comment?

You didn't compare 'different classifications of criminal acts' at all did you, you compared an attraction with a rape.

And what has the rape of a baby to do with 'this story' when there has simply been an allegation and nothing more?

I wouldn't need to be 'pedantic' if you were capable of being clear, precise and sticking to 'the story'.

 

[Bodinki]

It's quite possible to discuss 'the story' and make observations of someone's posts at the same time.
Yes, if the observations add anything to the discussion instead of just being argumentative for the sake of it

How your post regarding the use of the word *****phile is concerned with 'the story' is anyone's guess.

I don't recall anyone using the word prior to yourself so why bring it into the discussion if you don't wish people to comment?
Wrong. The word was used several times, read my first post, I quoted someones use of it

You didn't compare 'different classifications of criminal acts' at all did you, you compared an attraction with a rape.
Correct, what I meant to do was compare AJ's alleged crime with that of another, so you have me there, I shouldn't have used the word attraction, but since I was comparing it to AJ's alleged crime, which can be classed as statutory rape, you are still being slightly pedantic

And what has the rape of a baby to do with 'this story' when there has simply been an allegation and nothing more?
Simple, just that, if AJ did rape this girl, he shouldn't be classed as a *****phile since the crime doesn't fit the definition, and I used the Ian Watkins case as an example of a crime that did.

I wouldn't need to be 'pedantic' if you were capable of being clear, precise and sticking to 'the story'.

You don't need to be pedantic, at all, and you still haven't stated whether you agree with the actual point I was making or not, and are taking this discussion down a whole other path that just leads to you being smug and holier than thou, for the sake of it. Nice derailment!

 

[Smug in Boots]

You don't need to be pedantic, at all, and you still haven't stated whether you agree with the actual point I was making or not, and are taking this discussion down a whole other path that just leads to you being smug and holier than thou, for the sake of it. Nice derailment!

The 'point' you're 'making' has absolutely nothing to do with 'the story'.

That's my point

The term you were using is ambiguous, almost never used in real life & totally irrelevant.

Introducing the rape of a baby, on this thread, is absolutely ludicrous tbh.

If anyone is 'taking this discussion down a whole other path' it's you.

 

[Bodinki]

The 'point' you're 'making' has absolutely nothing to do with 'the story'.

That's my point

Since you are having trouble following this simple discussion, i will spell it out for you.

Some people on here were referring to AJ, if guilty, as being a *****phile, I simply said that that wouldn't be the case since he wouldn't fit the clinical definition of a *****phile and offered an alternative classification.
Thats when you came in acting like an asshat.....
I can see this isn't the place to come for sensible discussion (at least not with you) and so will leave, I guess that was your intended goal in the first place, so I will acquiesce.

Goodnight.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Since you are having trouble following this simple discussion, i will spell it out for you.

Some people on here were referring to AJ, if guilty, as being a *****phile, I simply said that that wouldn't be the case since he wouldn't fit the clinical definition of a *****phile and offered an alternative classification.
Thats when you came in acting like an asshat.....
I can see this isn't the place to come for sensible discussion (at least not with you) and so will leave, I guess that was your intended goal in the first place, so I will acquiesce.

Goodnight.

I'm not ......... I'm saying the nonsense you keep attempting to introduce is misplaced, arrogant & irrelevant drivel.

Sensible discussion is one thing, dreary hair splitting over specific terminology is simply pedantic

BTW, no one referred to the player as a *****phile ......... it all seems to be in your head which is worrying.
Therefore your original post was totally unnecessary.

 

[BrAdY]

So iff a15 year old cannot consent to sex, who is guilty if both parties are 15 as I was when I lost my virginity?

Also who is guilty if age was not given (and you look like most 15 yo girls do nowadays) and consent was? If it is not obvious, and you are in a place where, by law, you have to be over 18, and are only 15 years old, who is guilty?

id bet my house on this 15 year not being a victim.. heck i've been clubbing in hull.. she told me she worked at a hairdressers and shes almost 19, we did stuff.. it wasn't till i was texting her the next day, she randomly blurted out.. im so sorry. im atually only 16.. when drunk in a a club. you don't expect to have to id people who got in with fake id anyway? it's a grey area for sure..

what i don't get is

why did johnson shag another girl when he's got his beauty at home

 

[SC SAFC]

FFS! Sex with a 15 year old is NOT rape. In America (certain states) it is classed as statutory. !

Aye in South Carolina up until recently age of consent was 14.

 

[The Outlaw]

Aye in South Carolina up until recently age of consent was 14.

Can u still marry your first cousin in SC? Gotta love the Southern states.

 

[BrAdY]

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[SC SAFC]

Can u still marry your first cousin in SC? Gotta love the Southern states.

I think so mate, bunch of wronguns. I'm in the aptly named redneck riviera (myrtle beach), absolutely mental in the season. 12th most dangerous city in the states, considering there is next to Zero crime outside of season its a bonkers stat

Tbh i wished id stayed out west, much more civilized