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You can't have worked with that many then?

It's impossible to get on with everyone. Some of my staff are absolute flutes, but they're work colleagues so I force myself to treat them the same as the ones I actually like.

Worked at a factory for about a year, been in this job for the last thirteen. As my current work is community / charity based, I meet and work with loads of new people all the time but bar the odd few that I only briefly worked with, I never disliked anyone. There are a few distant contacts that are pricks but have not had the misfortune of having to work with them :) Maybe its this sector generally as nicer more caring people in it :huh:
 
He's going to do the same as his mate, but he hasn't even been told there's an opening. The whole thing has just not been thought through in any shape or form. It's an shambles <doh>

So with no savings (correct?), he's bought a plane ticket for Guatemala in order to do an unpaid job that may not even exist? Sounds like a great plan. Hardly a great compliment to his relationship with Emily either.
 
So with no savings (correct?), he's bought a plane ticket for Guatemala in order to do an unpaid job that may not even exist? Sounds like a great plan. Hardly a great compliment to his relationship with Emily either.

He's taking 'some' money with him. I didn't indicate it graphically, but I did allude to the fact I wouldn't be comfortable funding it. Her mother won't be either.
 
Ya now what, I deserve a lot of stick for this. I saw Central America and jumped the gun without thinking [HASHTAG]#prick[/HASHTAG]
It is in Central America, but the distance to where Bluff is is probably about the distance from here to Moscow so I doubt a little midnight tryst is on the cards, :)
 
It is in Central America, but the distance to where Bluff is is probably about the distance from here to Moscow so I doubt a little midnight tryst is on the cards, :)

Yeah, I realise that, just didn't think before posting. Still closer to Bluff than here though
 
Worked at a factory for about a year, been in this job for the last thirteen. As my current work is community / charity based, I meet and work with loads of new people all the time but bar the odd few that I only briefly worked with, I never disliked anyone. There are a few distant contacts that are pricks but have not had the misfortune of having to work with them :) Maybe its this sector generally as nicer more caring people in it :huh:

Probably that's part of it, but you're also a really laid back type of fella, so I imagine it'd be quite hard to fall out with you <laugh>
 
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I didn't go to uni and got on with everyone I've worked with. Maybe people only fail to get on with everyone because you went to uni <whistle>
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I think the point I tried to get over was not to let other people [in this case, lecturers you don't like] determine your path. Lots of people choose not to go to uni for a multitude of reasons but if someone realised after going there that uni itself wasn't for them and they were utterly miserable or they were only there because it's what their parents wanted, then that's a valid reason to leave ... but don't let friends dropping out or lecturers you don't get on with stop you pursuing your chosen path. In life there'll be lots of people you don't get on with [unless you're Gerrez <whistle> ] or your best friend leaves work etc

Life's about rising above challenges not giving up and I'm sure RHC won't let his daughter give up her future on a whim. I don't fully go along with the 'let them make their own mistakes' argument either. Sure there's times you have to, but if as a parent your intent isn't purely selfish, like you'll miss them so don't want them to go away for a long time, which would be the wrong reason to stop them, then you have to be hard and try to stop them making really bad decisions. My lads have been all around the world to more countries than I will ever get to, there were no reasons to stop them for the purposes they were going but I did find several occasions to 'fight' the daft ideas of my lads between their 18-22 years.
 
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I think the point I tried to get over was not to let other people [in this case, lecturers you don't like] determine your path. Lots of people choose not to go to uni for a multitude of reasons but if someone realised after going there that uni itself wasn't for them and they were utterly miserable or they were only there because it's what their parents wanted, then that's a valid reason to leave ... but don't let friends dropping out or lecturers you don't get on with stop you pursuing your chosen path.

Life's about rising above challenges not giving up and I'm sure RHC won't let his daughter give up her future on a whim. I don't fully go along with the 'let them make their own mistakes' argument either. Sure there's times you have to, but if as a parent your intent isn't purely selfish, like you'll miss them so don't want them to go away for a long time, which would be the wrong reason to stop them, then you have to be hard and try to stop them making really bad decisions. My lads have been all around the world to more countries than I will ever get to, there were no reasons to stop them for the purposes they were going but I did find several occasions to 'fight' the daft ideas of my lads between their 18-22 years.

I've only ever made suggestions to them, never 'told' them what to do. They've both done pretty well so far. I wanted them both to do science because of my love of it, but it wasn't to be.
 
Right. It's even more complicated than I first thought. Despite her telling me regularly that everything's going fine at uni, it seems it's not. Two of her main 'friends' on the course have dropped out and apparently, she doesn't like her lecturers. I addressed this with reference to me almost ****ing my degree up. I think I covered that ground pretty effectively.

With respect to Guatemala, it seems when she initially told her mother what she wanted to do, the destination wasn't mentioned. It was only when my other daughter told her that she found out and was/is mortified. I had two long chats with her before and after my meeting.

I first asked Charlie to explain his motives for going. He's a nice enough lad, but he's a loser. He can't hold a job down and has dropped out of two college courses. He has absolutely no idea what he wants to do. He has a mate over there who works in a hotel complex ( www.utopiaecohotel.com ). It's unpaid general handyman **** and all he gets is free bed and board. This is where he intends to work. He's already bought his plane ticket and didn't tell Emily until AFTER he'd done so. I got some serious mileage out of that, in terms of him admitting he was going ANYWAY, irrespective of whether she went or not. He basically wants to drop out. I then went on to the inherent dangers of the place, and showed her one of the posts that Danilo made yesterday. There was a visible reaction from both of them.

I handled the whole thing throughout with humour and a relaxed approach. She certainly didn't get that from her mother and she got exactly the reaction some of you warned of along the lines of 'there's nothing you can do to stop me'. I purposefully didn't ask her not to go, just allowing the cons to massively outweigh the pros. I reckon I've planted some serious doubt in her mind, and even in his about her going.

He flies out in July and she wouldn't be going until September. That gives both me and her mother (mainly me) the opportunity to work on her in his absence. I of course asked him for regular, honest updates on what it's like.

In the end, we gave each other a massive hug and I tole her to realise her potential and not blow it. She smiled and nodded.

I'll bump this now and again with any updates and thanks to all of you for the contributions you made yesterday, particularly Danilo <ok>


well done rhc.

1. tell here it is not her job to "like" lecturers. it is her job to take whatever she can get in knowledge out of them and to ge ther degree. she can despise them all she wants. Kids seem to want to like or please teachers as a motivation not do anything for themselves

2. its clear the joker is a tool now. so best thing is to have her sister do the work for now... you can't bad mouth him, prob neither can her mother but sisters have free reign.

3. tell her she's no job, no room, no board over there only him so what's she gonna do?

finally love to know where she's getting plane ticket money from.
 
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well done rhc.

1. tell here it is not her job to "like" lecturers. it is her job to take whatever she can get in knowledge out of them and to ge ther degree. she can despise them all she wants. Kids seem to want to like or please teachers as a motivation not do anything for themselves

2. its clear the joker is a tool now. so best thing is to have her sister do the work for now... you can't bad mouth him, prob neither can her mother but sisters have free reign.

3. tell her she's no job, no room, no board over there only him so what's she gonna do?


finally love to know where she's getting plane ticket money from.

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Nailed it.
 
You can't have worked with that many then?

It's impossible to get on with everyone. Some of my staff are absolute flutes, but they're work colleagues so I force myself to treat them the same as the ones I actually like.

this is the life lesson.

kids especially girls and young ones too (like 8-16) seem to NEED to love their teachers to succeed.

People must learn that to succeed in life they have to focus on what they are there for not to please others. You are there for a qualification not to go the extra mile to please a teacher. I've had this with maths teachers for example. they come home.. i hate maths... no you stupid stupid girl you hate the teacher... well tough..

when people work in an office chances are 50 to 75% of the people are annoying or whatever and a proposition of those will be rude, obnoxious or bullies. people have to get pas tit to earn thier crust.

Time for a wake up call for your 20 year old RHC.... she's going to a **** hole to at best clean up puke and change sheets to please a drop out. thats the best she'll do work in the same hotel right? she is transposing not liking lecturers so no pleasing them onto pleasing him but he booked his flight to go before telling her so thats a wake up for sure.

kids............... at worst rhc have the plane ticket fare ready for her to come home.
 
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