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What will Liverpool win in the 2014-15 season...?

  • Premier League

  • Champions League

  • FA Cup

  • League Cup

  • As much as Everton and Spurs!

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saintanton said:
It certainly will if we never try.
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I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't try and eradicate some of the blatant cheating that goes on in the game, just that the more marginal "gamesmanship" will be virtually impossible to remove, as it's ingrained.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
I recall the racist chanting of yesteryear and there's where I'd like it to stay. These incidents popping up now need to be addressed. As you say taking points off clubs may make these individuals think twice but there would also need to be some sort of scale. Would the middle-aged man <doh> doing the monkey dance at Anfield incur the same penalty as the Chelsea train mob?
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Absolutely. We need to look at the scale and the seriousness of the offense. Clear racist chanting against a black player = point (s) deducted. There could be things like first warning etc. Until these idiotic "fans" realise that their despicable actions (which they must think is hilarious but not so if you are the victim) will affect their club they will keep doing it. What's to stop these train idiots to do it again next time they are in Europe?
 
Tobes said:
I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't try and eradicate some of the blatant cheating that goes on in the game, just that the more marginal "gamesmanship" will be virtually impossible to remove, as it's ingrained.
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I said earlier that I think it's probably impossible to change now. I just mean that we should continue to call it and not just accept that it's "part of the game".
 
carlthejackal said:
Absolutely. We need to look at the scale and the seriousness of the offense. Clear racist chanting against a black player = point (s) deducted. There could be things like first warning etc. Until these idiotic "fans" realise that their despical actions (which they must think is hilarious but not so if you are the victim) will affect their club they will keep doing it. What's to stop these train idiots to do it again next time they are in Europe?
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Do you think there's a difference with incidents inside and outside the stadium? Clubs can't police their fans wherever they happen to be.
 
saint I think the diving and cheating is 'relatively' new - it's almost the pay off for having imported talent. Can you remember diving [as we know it now] before we had the influx of foreign players?
 
Tobes said:
I wasn't suggesting that we shouldn't try and eradicate some of the blatant cheating that goes on in the game, just that the more marginal "gamesmanship" will be virtually impossible to remove, as it's ingrained.
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Agree with this (<yikes>) but the blatant cheating can be dealt with. Players get booked for kicking the ball away already for example. A player should get booked when they dive too. Why can't retrospective punishment be issued for blatant diving? Obviously there is the 'contact' debate but the ones with clear daylight between the player are undebatable.
 
Gerrez said:
I'd go with:

C: continues normal strides, stays on feet and scores regardless of the reckless and very poor timed attempted challenge
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In an ideal world yes. Its anything but though and allowing that to happen encourages the offender to go in harder and the ref to wave play on.

Wild and wreckless challenges are a bigger problem than cheating of any kind. You can end a career or cause serious damage and get a 3 match ban.

Its unfortunate refs are incapble of calling a wreckless challenge without help though.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Do you think there's a difference with incidents inside and outside the stadium? Clubs can't police their fans wherever they happen to be.
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I think UEFA will need to have some cojones. If they are clearly Chelsea fans (which they are and no one has even doubted that) then the club must be warned that they could lose point next time. If it does happen again, then there should be a points deduction or in KO stages playing behind closed doors or a points deduction for the next time they are in the league sort of thing.

Seems unfair on the club but drastic measures are needed for such incidents if we are really serious about stopping them..
 
UnitedinRed said:
In an ideal world yes. Its anything but though and allowing that to happen encourages the offender to go in harder and the ref to wave play on.

Wild and wreckless challenges are a bigger problem than cheating of any kind. You can end a career or cause serious damage and get a 3 match ban.

Its unfortunate refs are incapble of calling a wreckless challenge without help though.
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So its for the player to decide what is danger and/or reskless now...? How come we still have referees...?
 
Gerrez said:
Agree with this (<yikes>) but the blatant cheating can be dealt with. Players get booked for kicking the ball away already for example. A player should get booked when they dive too. Why can't retrospective punishment be issued for blatant diving? Obviously there is the 'contact' debate but the ones with clear daylight between the player are undebatable.
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I've got a better idea. Why can't the 5th official or a 6th one on the stands be watching the game on a monitor and in a matter of seconds he could tell the ref that the incident wasn't a pen it was a dive and the appropriate action could be dished out suring the game. The problem with retrospective action is that it doesn't stop the cheat propering on the day, as his action could result in a win for his team. If he gets punished afterwards he's merely 'taking one for the team'.......

They need to get it right on the day <ok>
 
johnsonsbaby said:
I remember Greavsie had trouble staying on his feet as well but they didn't have one eye on the penalty spot when they went down..... did they?
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Tbf its no wonder they evaded tackles back then, defenders wore clogs with walnut studs and shinnies were only made of horsehair and reinforced cardboard.

Ouch!!!!!
 
Tobes said:
I've got a better idea. Why can't the 5th official or a 6th one on the stands be watching the game on a monitor and in a matter of seconds he could tell the ref that the incident wasn't a pen it was a dive and the appropriate action could be dished out suring the game. The problem with retrospective action is that it doesn't stop the cheat propering on the day, as his action could result in a win for his team. If he gets punished afterwards he's merely 'taking one for the team'.......

They need to get it right on the day <ok>
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Well, that's a whole different conversation <laugh> Would it slow the game? What if the other team scores in the mean time? How would you control the aggrieved spectators...? I'm not disagreeing with you as you make good points, implementing it so quickly would be the issue.



Red Hadron Collider said:
They're still coming through <grr>
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