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[Treble]

One of the above yoonited fans is happy to let his club's cavalier attacking traditions die for the sake of results, it was that very thing that attracted those that have supported that club for decades.
Just like yoonited's style of play attracted the majority of its support it can also drive them away.

And Treble nobody said the yoonited team were ****e, weve said the tactics of the flawed genius are ****e and that the team has been playing ****e because of it, big difference there mate.

People on here have said United are ****e mate. Not you but others certainly. I have very little issue with the team/squad for our aims this season. It's more than capable tbf

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

These same clowns are the ones who say our 2013 title (20th title for you Liverpool fans) was the worst ever because we played rubbish football and were bailed put by RvP.

You're a really mixed up kid UIR, you said those same players you've just praised were ****e last season because Moyes managed them instead of Fergie.

 

[UnitedinRed]

How does that apply? We played some poor football in Fergie's last couple of seasons bcos of a poor midfield. We have a much better midfield now and are playing worse.

Simple. The midfield makes a mistake and we get cut open. Something demostrated many many times earlier in the season when we played blind, herrera and di maria as a midfield 3. It looked great but it also invited the opposition in on goal with barely and resistance.

Having a capable midfield is pointless without a comparable defence behind it. Its a team game after all. Fixing one part means nothing if another is broken.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

There is no right or wrong answer to this discussion. Like most things in football, it comes down individual opinion and preference.

I'd always opt for entertaining football first and foremost. I watch football to be entertained. Sure winning a trophy is fantastic but it happens a maximum four times a season. Whereas teams play a minimum of forty games a season.

 

[Tobes]

"This season"?

Stop making things up because you know I never said that, it was yoonited's style of play that attracted the masses, if they play crap for an extended length of time they could lose support.

It was United winning things that attracted the masses lad same as happens at every other successful club.

Only when they stop competing at the top end of the game for an extended span would the fickle end of their support start to drift. What you're trying to suggest is merely your wishful thinking, or as I said at the off, a kopite wet dream

 

[UnitedinRed]

There is no right or wrong answer to this discussion. Like most things in football, it comes down individual opinion and preference.

I'd always opt for entertaining football first and foremost. I watch football to be entertained. Sure winning a trophy is fantastic but it happens a maximum four times a season. Whereas teams play a minimum of forty games a season.

Its about getting back up this season. Not arsed how we do it as long as its done.

Plenty of time for van Gaals real style to show through. The objective this season though is to get back into the Champions League. Everything else is a bonus.

 

[Treble]

Simple. The midfield makes a mistake and we get cut open. Something demostrated many many times earlier in the season when we played blind, herrera and di maria as a midfield 3. It looked great but it also invited the opposition in on goal with barely and resistance.

Having a capable midfield is pointless without a comparable defence behind it. Its a team game after all. Fixing one part means nothing if another is broken.

Are you honestly saying that the way we're playing isn't "inviting the opposition in on goal"? Burnley were attacking in waves lol. We were chasing shadows. They had 6 players up with every attack. 10 chances on goal to our 3 just in the first half.

We were complacent against Leicester but we weren't against Hull playing those midfielders with Fellaini (or Blind or Carrick).

Here's where your argument falls down mate. Possession football, possession with purpose. If you have creative midfielders...
1) You take the pressure off your defence
2) You keep the opposition defending
3) If you keep the ball, they can't have it.

 

[Treble]

There really is NO excuse for the **** we're playing. It adds nothing to our defence (if anything it embolden the opposition to attack more).

AND it is NOT a choice between playing well or winning. We can do both with the players we have fgs!

 

[johnsonsbaby]

There is no right or wrong answer to this discussion. Like most things in football, it comes down individual opinion and preference.

I'd always opt for entertaining football first and foremost. I watch football to be entertained. Sure winning a trophy is fantastic but it happens a maximum four times a season. Whereas teams play a minimum of forty games a season.

It's also a different discussion for fans of teams who aren't competing to win the premier league [the vast majority of football fans]. utd fans have been spoilt like Liverpool fans were in the 70's and 80's when you can lose sight of why you started watching football in the first place.

 

[UnitedinRed]

Are you honestly saying that the way we're playing isn't "inviting the opposition in on goal"? Burnley were attacking in waves lol. We were chasing shadows. They had 6 players up with every attack. 10 chances on goal to our 3 just in the first half.

We were complacent against Leicester but we weren't against Hull playing those midfielders with Fellaini (or Blind or Carrick).

Here's where your argument falls down mate. Possession football, possession with purpose. If you have creative midfielders...
1) You take the pressure off your defence
2) You keep the opposition defending
3) If you keep the ball, they can't have it.

Creative midfielders put more pressure on the defence as they take more risks. Defensive midfielders however do take the pressure off. It's their job to do so.

We have been keeping the ball. Regardless of the line up. We dominate possession.

We do still invite pressure but not like before.

 

[UnitedinRed]

There really is NO excuse for the **** we're playing. It adds nothing to our defence (if anything it embolden the opposition to attack more).

AND it is NOT a choice between playing well or winning. We can do both with the players we have fgs!

Theres every excuse.

See leicester away. The very reason we now play as we do.

 

[Treble]

Creative midfielders put more pressure on the defence as they take more risks. Defensive midfielders however do take the pressure off. It's their job to do so.

We have been keeping the ball. Regardless of the line up. We dominate possession.

We do still invite pressure but not like before.

You can have both. That's not the point though. Rooney does neither of those jobs in midfield. Mata and Anders on the bench but persisting with Falcao with Rooney in midfield. It's nothing to do with anything you're arguing UIR

 

[Treble]

Theres every excuse.

See leicester away. The very reason we now play as we do.

And Hull??? Playing with those very midfielders plus Fellaini. No excuse mate. Our defence was out injured. You can't take a game played 6 months ago and use that as an excuse when our defenders aee back, and you'v3 started those same midfielders since then and put in your team's best performance of the season and won convincingly.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

It was United winning things that attracted the masses lad same as happens at every other successful club.

Only when they stop competing at the top end of the game for an extended span would the fickle end of their support start to drift. What you're trying to suggest is merely your wishful thinking, or as I said at the off, a kopite wet dream

Nah, maybe the newbie breed of their support but there are others that were there for their style of play.
What your doing is let your bitterness cloud your opinion, your lame logic that none of the yoonited supporters are not glory hunters is ****ed up.

 

[UnitedinRed]

You can have both. That's not the point though. Rooney does neither of those jobs in midfield. Mata and Anders on the bench but persisting with Falcao with Rooney in midfield. It's nothing to do with anything you're arguing UIR

It clearly does. You state we can do both despite all the evidence showing we currently can't.

We have done what you say is the answer. We got hammered. Forget about players playing in strange positions.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

It's also a different discussion for fans of teams who aren't competing to win the premier league [the vast majority of football fans]. utd fans have been spoilt like Liverpool fans were in the 70's and 80's when you can lose sight of why you started watching football in the first place.

Of course. Pretty sure the likes of Leicester, Burnley, etc would taking extremely **** football in return for points too

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Its about getting back up this season. Not arsed how we do it as long as its done.

Plenty of time for van Gaals real style to show through. The objective this season though is to get back into the Champions League. Everything else is a bonus.

Real style...?

 

[UnitedinRed]

And Hull??? Playing with those very midfielders plus Fellaini. No excuse mate. Our defence was out injured. You can't take a game played 6 months ago and use that as an excuse when our defenders aee back, and you'v3 started those same midfielders since then and put in your team's best performance of the season and won convincingly.

We also started them in our worst game

 

[Bodinki]

It clearly does. You state we can do both despite all the evidence showing we currently can't.

We have done what you say is the answer. We got hammered. Forget about players playing in strange positions.

Well yeah, I think their point is.....that you SHOULD be able to...but can't. And thats seen as LvG's failing.

 

[saintanton]

You can do both but playing badly and winning is always preferable to playing well and losing.

Until you get points for performances, its unlikely to ever change.

Its a good foundation to have. The difference between United, City chelsea and the rest of the league. Being tge winner despite not always being the better side.

This just illustrates the point I've been making but which you fail to address. What is the reason to watch football- is it to be entertained or simply to be able to say to someone "my team's won more than yours" ? If it's the latter you have to take a long hard look at yourself (anyone, not aimed at you particularly), and ask why that is important to you.
Why would anyone choose to spend a significant part of their lives watching something dull just to have some spurious bragging rights?
Any spectator activity is meant to be enjoyed, not endured, and attempting to bask in the reflected glory of a victory we ourselves have played no part in is a little sad.
We all want our team to win, and we all have to accept that sometimes they play badly and if we're lucky to get the points, we should just take them and keep our heads down, rather than try and make out it's some great achievement.
All teams have bad games or bad spells, but the aim should be to work through them to something better, rather than sit back and say "we got the points, and that's all that matters".