#bbcsalford

[moreinjuredthanowen]

i dunno....

in the end it seems its not her but him thats in question.

He should have known x or y so to do whatever after that means he is guilty. I read there was some effort to spearate cases here so i don't know why the other got off as i've not read that.... if both got convicted it'd be more just.

 

[Germlands Nozzer]

This is not backed up with video evidence of her walking into the hotel and then going back outside on her own to pick up a pizza. At the time of the incident they worked back that she was about 2 1/2 times over the legal drink drive limit. Expert medical evidence would suggest that this is enough to make you unsteady and giddy but not enough for complete memory loss. The fact that she was claiming zero recollection given the footage is enough for "reasonable doubt" on its own imo. As even when totally bladdered you can usually recall snippets of the previous evenings events, even if much of it is a blare. To claim zero recall smells wrong in itself.

She even told police that she felt tipsy but in control. The CCTV footage from the hotel is on the Ched Evans website. The other CCTV footage, where she apparently looks worse, isn't, and I haven't seen that. Eyewitnesses at the takeaway and the hotel (guy at reception I think) said she was drunk. As you noted, the porter who listened outside couldn't hear anything untoward.

 

[Tobes]

i dunno....

in the end it seems its not her but him thats in question.

He should have known x or y so to do whatever after that means he is guilty. I read there was some effort to spearate cases here so i don't know why the other got off as i've not read that.... if both got convicted it'd be more just.

Not in my book. That would have merely doubled the injustice.

 

[Tobes]

She even told police that she felt tipsy but in control. The CCTV footage from the hotel is on the Ched Evans website. The other CCTV footage, where she apparently looks worse, isn't, and I haven't seen that. Eyewitnesses at the takeaway and the hotel (guy at reception I think) said she was drunk. As you noted, the porter who listened outside couldn't hear anything untoward.

The judge's summation to the jury was wrong imo. He intimated that if she was drunk, then she was inacapable of giving consent.

Which if true would make every man who'd ever had sex with a woman who was bevvied a rapist, and we'd have more in custody than wandering the streets ffs.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

The judge's summation to the jury was wrong imo. He intimated that if she was drunk, then she was inacapable of giving consent.

Which if true would make every man who'd ever had sex with a woman who was bevvied a rapist, and we'd have more in custody than wandering the streets ffs.

yet if she was up on running over someone in her car whilst pissed, her decision to drive the car while she was pissed wouldn't save her in a million years, even if it was the same judge.

I ****ing guarantee you had there been no compensation in this she's never have gone through this nonsense. She never seen what would follow, the whole fiasco that has come about over it, 19 years old n all that, her life as it is now is entirely the result of the legal system not what Evans did. They pushed her to press for rape and now she is reaping the rewards and even having to have a new identity all because the police pushed her and the scabby few grand probably helped their cause in getting her to go along. She never for one minute thought it would turn out the way it has.

The police have more responsibility for what her life is like now than Evans

 

[Tobes]

yet if she was up on running over someone in her car whilst pissed, her decision to drive the car while she was pissed wouldn't save her in a million years, even if it was the same judge.

I ****ing guarantee you had there been no compensation in this she's never have gone through this nonsense. She never seen what would follow, the whole fiasco that has come about over it, 19 years old n all that, her life as it is now is entirely the result of the legal system not what Evans did. They pushed her to press for rape and now she is reaping the rewards and even having to have a new identity all because the police pushed her and the scabby few grand probably helped their cause in getting her to go along. She never for one minute thought it would turn out the way it has.

The police have more responsibility for what her life is like now than Evans

A great point that, and spot on imo.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

We have a justice system to deal with crimes. Evans has been through it and served what was deemed suitable punishment. He deserves to be able to get on with his life now. That's how society is supposed to work.

I reckon most have a issue with the amount of time served. Clearly it wasn't enough but that's the justice systems fault, not Evans'.

I don't have an issue with the time served, he's out on license now which means any misdemeanour in the next 2.5 years can result in him being thrown back in jail. I think he has a right to get on with his life too but sport is a completely different job to pick up where you left off. Showing no remorse [until he was obviously forced to now it looks like he'll never get signed by any club] went a long way in how people viewed him, it's easy to maintain innocence but also apologise for resulting hurt - he chose not to apologise and that's been very damaging.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Given that she came onto McDonald and happily went back with him to the hotel, it was accepted that she at least implicitly gave her consent. She didn't meet Evans until he was in the hotel room.

I think he came on to her but the rest of what you say is correct and exactly why he wasn't found guilty and Evans was.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I don't have an issue with the time served, he's out on license now which means any misdemeanour in the next 2.5 years can result in him being thrown back in jail. I think he has a right to get on with his life too but sport is a completely different job to pick up where you left off. Showing no remorse [until he was obviously forced to now it looks like he'll never get signed by any club] went a long way in how people viewed him, it's easy to maintain innocence but also apologise for resulting hurt - he chose not to apologise and that's been very damaging.

The case isn't as straight forward black and white though so he may be showing no remorse because there isn't any remorse to show. The fact he was found guilty is fair enough but the justice system as been wrong in the past.

I don't care what job the person does, once they've served their time they should be allowed to do what they lke unless the courts rule otherwise (eg someone convicted of fraud shouldn't be allowed to work in accounts). It is not for the public to say what a person can and can't do.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I think he came on to her but the rest of what you say is correct and exactly why he wasn't found guilty and Evans was.

Evans was fond guilty because the judge's direction to the jury left literally no other option than a guilty verdict. Telling the jury that her consent could not be valid because she was drunk?!

So, she was sober enough to consent to the first guy, but but not sober enough to consent the second time. Do you see the screwed up logic.

What you are just not getting into your noggin is that he was convicted solely on the assumption that she was too drunk to consent. How can the jury ****ing know that and even more stupidly they said she was not too pissed to consent to the other guy?!

I guarantee you that had Evans been the one that went back to the hotel and his mate went second, they both would have been convicted.
The police and presecution were out to get Evans. A nice high profile conviction for the prosecutor's career, a balm for the femtards and a statement that the police take rape seriously.. when in fact they rarely take it seriously.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

The case isn't as straight forward black and white though so he may be showing no remorse because there isn't any remorse to show. The fact he was found guilty is fair enough but the justice system as been wrong in the past.

I don't care what job the person does, once they've served their time they should be allowed to do what they lke unless the courts rule otherwise (eg someone convicted of fraud shouldn't be allowed to work in accounts). It is not for the public to say what a person can and can't do.

What JB doesn't get is he currently is fighting it, he cannot legally show remorse or apologise as it will 100% be seen as an admission of guilt

only a ****tard would show remorse at this stage and sink his own legal fightback if he is determined to prove he was innocent.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

What did he do? Remember the only witnesses that claim to remember what happened said the girl was up for it and there is no forensic evidence to suggest otherwise nor is there a denial from the girl herself as she claims to remember nothing but being in a chippy.

The facts of the case you refer to are A The admissions by the two lads and B. CCTV that doesn't show anything that proves anything, except that the girl was pissed. Now tell me when claiming you were pissed has ever absolved you of responsibility in the justice system?

Does this ruling mean that all the prossies that did a 20 bag before taking a client can now claim they were raped seeing as they were in "no condition to consent" to sex? It seems deciding to get hammered and then as a result deciding to get banged has no bearing on this



What happened was PC femtard justice was meted out via a prosecution that went after Evans bigtime.

So please tell me what the facts of this case are?

The crux of the case lies in the fact that McDonald could reasonably claim consent because she had willingly accompanied him along the street after meeting outside the kebab shop, got into a taxi with him and accompanied him willingly into the hotel room Evans had booked for him. She had no such [albeit extremely brief] 'relationship' with Evans who: lied his way into the hotel room, asked his mate if he could 'have a go' after him, had two other mates video it from outside the hotel and left the hotel the back way via a fire escape. The judge had instructed the jury that drunken consent could still constitute consent so it's obvious, having considered all the evidence, the jury found his behaviour consistent with a guilty verdict.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Sadly, you can murder someone and serve your sentence and go on with your life, yet Evans has to serve this sentence for the rest of his life. So even if guilty, wy does he have to be punished for it for the rest of his life?

 

[johnsonsbaby]

It's a really tricky area because can argue from both sides. If you know a girl is way too drunk you can easily take advantage but unless you have a stack of independent witnesses, how can anyone prove someone is too drunk to consent?


What I also find shocking is how someone can be reported as being charged under suspicion of rape. Should never be allowed to report that as even if found innocent, people still have to live with that stigma and it won't go away. For your average man in the street can cause so much damage, especially when the accuser can remain anonymous.

The 'accuser' was the police. The girl never brought the charge at all, the police did, she couldn't remember anything and gave no testimony.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

The crux of the case lies in the fact that McDonald could reasonably claim consent because she had willingly accompanied him along the street after meeting outside the kebab shop, got into a taxi with him and accompanied him willingly into the hotel room Evans had booked for him. She had no such [albeit extremely brief] 'relationship' with Evans who: lied his way into the hotel room, asked his mate if he could 'have a go' after him, had two other mates video it from outside the hotel and left the hotel the back way via a fire escape. The judge had instructed the jury that drunken consent could still constitute consent so it's obvious, having considered all the evidence, the jury found his behaviour consistent with a guilty verdict.

Nice way of circumventing the key point, as the judge managed to get the jury to to, her consent, she consented to Evans did she not, he asked and she consented, regardless of the other actions.

lets not forget, seeing as you are profiling Evans, we have a girl who chose to go back to a hotel with a stranger to get humped in dubious circumstances, so, where is the profiling of her character? No she was and is portrayed as this virgin in white.

So while you are clearly like the media making out Evans to be a monster this youngun who acted in a way that if she'd been my own daughter would have disgusted me, gets a free pass to act as she wishes without reproach.

The fact she acted as she did suggests being pretty loose in that context so therefor consenting to another guy is not such a stretch of imagination under those circumstances, but when painted as this poor defencless 19 year old, which she is not at all, then of course Evans looks evil.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Also, I have the feeling that this girl remembers a damn lot more than she admits to.

not remembering anything is crucial to this conviction because remembering giving consent literally means there could be no conviction.

Convenient much

 

[johnsonsbaby]

yet if she was up on running over someone in her car whilst pissed, her decision to drive the car while she was pissed wouldn't save her in a million years, even if it was the same judge.

I ****ing guarantee you had there been no compensation in this she's never have gone through this nonsense. She never seen what would follow, the whole fiasco that has come about over it, 19 years old n all that, her life as it is now is entirely the result of the legal system not what Evans did. They pushed her to press for rape and now she is reaping the rewards and even having to have a new identity all because the police pushed her and the scabby few grand probably helped their cause in getting her to go along. She never for one minute thought it would turn out the way it has.

The police have more responsibility for what her life is like now than Evans

The police charged the two men on suspicion of sexual assault - the jury found Evans guilty of rape - the girl didn't press any charges!

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Evans was fond guilty because the judge's direction to the jury left literally no other option than a guilty verdict. Telling the jury that her consent could not be valid because she was drunk?!

So, she was sober enough to consent to the first guy, but but not sober enough to consent the second time. Do you see the screwed up logic.

What you are just not getting into your noggin is that he was convicted solely on the assumption that she was too drunk to consent. How can the jury ****ing know that and even more stupidly they said she was not too pissed to consent to the other guy?!

I guarantee you that had Evans been the one that went back to the hotel and his mate went second, they both would have been convicted.
The police and presecution were out to get Evans. A nice high profile conviction for the prosecutor's career, a balm for the femtards and a statement that the police take rape seriously.. when in fact they rarely take it seriously.

Completely wrong. The judge instructed the jury that drunken consent can still constitute consent.

 

[UnitedinRed]

He shouldn't be suffering the consequences of his actions now though mate.... That Is what a prison sentence Is for

The case isn't as straight forward black and white though so he may be showing no remorse because there isn't any remorse to show. The fact he was found guilty is fair enough but the justice system as been wrong in the past.

I don't care what job the person does, once they've served their time they should be allowed to do what they lke unless the courts rule otherwise (eg someone convicted of fraud shouldn't be allowed to work in accounts). It is not for the public to say what a person can and can't do.

About 4000 times a year it gets it wrong.

But of course, a court convicted him and that is that. Apparently.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

If this is rape, everyone involved would be guilty, but as it turned out, only evans was, because if he raped her everyone else present was also guilty, even those recording it. Yet only Evans got done.

Nuff said.

If you go out and grab a chick into a bush and have at it and then your mate does and you have two others recording, you are ALL guilty.

They set out to get Evans and they got him for the reasons I stated. This was a political conviction and a media show conviction.

If he raped her I would be the first to say "cut off his balls"