Gerrard media love in.

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

Don`t tell me that as a Liverpool supporter you haven`t noticed that he often takes a look up (telegraph), takes two steps back and then makes the hollywood pass. That is because he has nobody in his face, in the MLS he will. Beckham could play the pass with half a yard of space.

You seem to be playing Gerrards LA Galaxy games in your mind before he's kicked a bal in anger for them Diego.

I've seen enough MLS(some first hand)to know he'll do OK over there.

But its all about opinion and you've got yours and I've got mine, Mano the LA Galaxy/Manc is sick as a dog they've signed him but let's see how it goes for the lad before passing judgement.

 

[Diego]

You seem to be playing Gerrards LA Galaxy games in your mind before he's kicked a bal in anger for them Diego.

I've seen enough MLS(some first hand)to know he'll do OK over there.

But its all about opinion and you've got yours and I've got mine, Mano the LA Galaxy/Manc is sick as a dog they've signed him but let's see how it goes for the lad before passing judgement.

I have no doubt he will be a hit, i just doubt his (stated) reason for going there

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

I have no doubt he will be a hit, i just doubt his (stated) reason for going there

Money, a change of scenery, a new challenge, in that order, but if what he said was on the nail LFC leaving a void in contract talks between July and November made his mind up for him, I thought he'd be gradually worked out of the first team and eventually get a job with the backroom staff or become a paid ambassador, but good luck to him what ever happens.

 

[King Shergar]

I can't see any decent Premier League player having to much trouble in the MLS. Let's be serious here, Robbie Keane is an ageing Irishmen and he is bossing it out there, so I don't see Gerrard having to many issues with the pace of the game or the heat.

Each team has a few good players, that are past there best, and the rest are fairly average players. The league as a whole is probably worse than League 1 over here

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Reality check

If Gerrard doesn't actually go do a lampard here he will be MVP by seasons end over there when as we know will be long enough away that all this will be forgotten

Mls....

Lads let's get ****ing real here... There are players this year on between 50 and 100k per year (dollars) playing for galaxy and it's only the two designated players that have the millions

It is ridiculous to claim these guys will play at a pace and intensity of a league where the average wage is now 43k per week

If you can tell me that while the majority will be pros but a significant chunk if the squad has to flip burgers to live that this is a recipe for Gerrard to struggle.... Well I'd love to see it

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Oh and the only premise I'd entertain here is if the lad goes off and doesn't bother with fitness, gains pounds and just looks like he's not bothered

Wesahould all be able to recognise that.... It's very clear robbie Keane didn't do this but that some playing over there have

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

are you saying christian erikkson has had no impact whatsoever on spurs?

I'm willing to totally agre harry kane has been a huge boost to spurs compared to soldado and a big part of it.

My point was also that the new spurs coaching team has taken a while to find its feet and get its message in but you can see it now in the never give up attitude

I would say that yes harry kane is a part but equally the class of erikkson is showing and the management style is coming into itself too.

Is your point that gerrard has a lifting affect at anfield then???
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my other point is lfc fans keep pointing to spurs away... well we won 3-0 but they were poor on the day too. If we had the same team out or even the team of today playing better we'd not beat spurs 3-0 now away cos they look like they have solved thier issues

the same point applied to swansea as frankly the swans have some mental thing at anfield in particular but are also weaker on the road so they turned up at anfield and sat right off us.. If we'd beaten swansea (6-2-2 home record) at their gorund 4-1 playing well without gerrard i'd say yes ok thats a good showing of why gerrard's mobility affects us.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

In nearly 50 years of supporting this club, watching us be one of the best teams in Europe under Paisley, the lows of Heysel and Hillsborough, the mega depression of the half time score of Istanbul to the elation of the final score and seeing Gerrard and Carra raise that Big Eared trophy, I have never been more depressed about the health of our club as I am now.
The photo of Gerrard and Carra raising the European Cup in 2005 has pride of place in my home and whilst I have seen great players, Keegan, Dalglish, Souness, Rush, Fowler etc leave, I am concerned about the media circus surrounding the departure of Gerrard and the public slagging that is taking place.

Ive been concerned about the way the club have been conducting business since Rodgers took over. He is too quick to open his gob, to slag players off and to come out with such contrite crap when we play badly - it reminds me of Woy at times. Now to hear Gerrard openly saying he would have signed a new contract is rubbing salt into a wound. This is just indicative of the public spat between player and manager that has clearly festered for some time.

Yes, Gerrard is a club hero and a fan idol. He has chosen to leave after 20 plus years of loyal service. The timing is right as we have all slated his performance in a mediocre team this season and perhaps its indicative of the state of decline the club is now in with Rodgers and post Suarez. We should all thank him for his service and hold him in utmost regard in the future along with past greats and I for one dont believe we will ever see their likes again. He should hold the fans and the club in his heart and not now use his departure to destroy the goodwill that has been built up over the years.

However, Gerrard and Rodgers must stop this washing of linen in public. This is not the Liverpool way of doing things and is causing damage to the club in a press thats Manchester dominated.

'One of'? THE best

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

I'm not even sure what point you're making, mito. You've criticised his performance for a long time now, and now you're having a go because he's decided to leave?
Why should he accept that he's "lucky" to be offered a new one year contract, when he can continue to get more game time elsewhere? We might hope that he would prefer to stay on in a reduced role, but we can't demand it of him.

Damned if he do, damned if he don't.

This ^

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I answered saint on it at the time

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Ideally we should have games won and not be struggling in the final quarter to turn it around. Inevitably, this will happen though, and I can't see anyone at the moment who will be the leader in a scrap.

You might be right about 7th, but you know I'm incorrigibly optimistic so I'm hanging on to dreams of top 4 until it's mathematically impossible.

****ing thus ^

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

If you want to see the effect of good coaching, watch Atletico Madrid. Their performance last night was incredible given they were playing the most expensive team in world football.

Drilled, disciplined and street smart. Even the youngsters came in and didn't look out of place - probably explains how Manquillo is already so mature in his defending at such a young age.

We need proper coaching/coaches at this club. I fear Rodgers is too stubborn to accept help on defending and structure, and is better suited at coaching just the attack.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

manquillo was diving in all over the place in august. he's improved in his time here.

i find that rather than just praise atletico that a lot of spanish teams are similarly drilled.... sure we look like we are never coached at all but there you go... what can you say... i doubt they ask thier players to play 5 formations and 6 different positions as we have with stelring, henderson, can, markovic....

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

manquillo was diving in all over the place in august. he's improved in his time here.

i find that rather than just praise atletico that a lot of spanish teams are similarly drilled.... sure we look like we are never coached at all but there you go... what can you say... i doubt they ask thier players to play 5 formations and 6 different positions as we have with stelring, henderson, can, markovic....

Defending and attacking as a team is an art and they are very good at it, despite spending little money and consistently losing their best players. Winning the title in a league where only Barca and Real are 'allowed' to win it is incredible.

Would love Simeone at this club (even as a player!).

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

they are indeed... but then i think seeing seville winning the europa means many Spanish teams are... no disrespect to atletico meant of course.

They have however had a long development where they treated the europa with respect and won it twice... and simeone has been the final piece that instilled real belief.

I think thats one thing that LFC doesn't have... perhaps for a brief while form feb to april last year we got it but the moment suarez went i think ti went too.... BIG mistake not replacing him. atletico replaced torres with aguero, aguero with falcao and falcao with costa...

now they have

Antoine Griezmann and.Mario Mandžukić


we have been linked and look at griezmann for 5 years... nobody had the bottle to pony 10mil for him... so far 17 games, 8 goals in la liga and 25 games 11 goals overall.... 24mil fee there.... still cheap.

just maybe they have brains where as LFc have scouts they don't listen to and no brains.

the last ten years of main line strikers for atletic have fetched in massive fees for them to spend on and now they have one of the top young lads that is bound to eventually end up transferring for another massive fee.

torres, aguero, falcao, costa..... griezmann.... think about it...

 

[Rubbersoul]

Griezman is not a striker.

I don't think I'm a fan of Atletico, every time they play either Barca or Madrid it's turns into a 0-0 or 1-0 bore fest and when the first goal goes in it turns dirty. It doesn't really excite me and the game last night was no exception.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

no but he's scoring the goals isn't he?

He was touted to us as a winger... but.... how many wingers do we know who bcome central players... like oh henry, sterling, silva, and the like.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

they are indeed... but then i think seeing seville winning the europa means many Spanish teams are... no disrespect to atletico meant of course.

They have however had a long development where they treated the europa with respect and won it twice... and simeone has been the final piece that instilled real belief.

I think thats one thing that LFC doesn't have... perhaps for a brief while form feb to april last year we got it but the moment suarez went i think ti went too.... BIG mistake not replacing him. atletico replaced torres with aguero, aguero with falcao and falcao with costa...

now they have

Antoine Griezmann and.Mario Mandžukić


we have been linked and look at griezmann for 5 years... nobody had the bottle to pony 10mil for him... so far 17 games, 8 goals in la liga and 25 games 11 goals overall.... 24mil fee there.... still cheap.

just maybe they have brains where as LFc have scouts they don't listen to and no brains.

the last ten years of main line strikers for atletic have fetched in massive fees for them to spend on and now they have one of the top young lads that is bound to eventually end up transferring for another massive fee.

torres, aguero, falcao, costa..... griezmann.... think about it...

This is the problem - we decided to spunk £40m on Lallana, Lambert and Balotelli.

Our marquee signing of the summer was Lallana. How embarrassing is that.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Griezman is not a striker.

I don't think I'm a fan of Atletico, every time they play either Barca or Madrid it's turns into a 0-0 or 1-0 bore fest and when the first goal goes in it turns dirty. It doesn't really excite me and the game last night was no exception.

When you're a 'smaller' club, constantly losing your best players each year, cheap squad - I'd take a 0-0 or 1-0 against the bigger clubs. And then I'd ensure we beat all the other smaller clubs. This is what Mourinho has made a living out of - he's not concerned with the big games - he just wants to make sure he doesn't lose them. There are more games against smaller clubs than big clubs.

And I used to be in the same boat as you - I loved aggressive, expansive football. But I now appreciate smart, tactical football. It's a real skill to be able to defend and attack as one, cohesive unit. Watch Atletico Madrid and you'll see that they make very few mistakes.

And most of the successful teams in football history are built on solidity - well, the teams who enjoyed sustained periods of success certainly did. You cannot win titles without a solid back 4 - it's fact. There are very few exceptions to this rule, bar Man United a few seasons ago.

As much as I enjoy Rodgers's attacking football, he's far too limited in his approach - consistent negligence of his defence is costing us and there are no signs of it every improving - going by his entire managerial career.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

When you're a 'smaller' club, constantly losing your best players each year, cheap squad - I'd take a 0-0 or 1-0 against the bigger clubs. And then I'd ensure we beat all the other smaller clubs. This is what Mourinho has made a living out of - he's not concerned with the big games - he just wants to make sure he doesn't lose them. There are more games against smaller clubs than big clubs.

And I used to be in the same boat as you - I loved aggressive, expansive football. But I now appreciate smart, tactical football. It's a real skill to be able to defend and attack as one, cohesive unit. Watch Atletico Madrid and you'll see that they make very few mistakes.

And most of the successful teams in football history are built on solidity - well, the teams who enjoyed sustained periods of success certainly did. You cannot win titles without a solid back 4 - it's fact. There are very few exceptions to this rule, bar Man United a few seasons ago.

As much as I enjoy Rodgers's attacking football, he's far too limited in his approach - consistent negligence of his defence is costing us and there are no signs of it every improving - going by his entire managerial career.

you are right.. thats what mourinho does.. goes hard at smaller teams racks up points then sets out not to lose against the top 4 by playing for one goal.

You are also right that the number of successful teams built on great attacks and not much defense can probably be counted on one finger... elt alone one hand... and utd a few seasons ago lucked into a scenario where rvp scored and rescued a lot of points but there was actually a complete disintegration of any challenge. city fell apart, cheslea where nowhere... so.... barca are prob the only real side to do it and they did it by denying possession utterly to sides rather than simply attacking all the time.