Remember if MM had gotten his way we'd have had Corny and Ince (and a £16m hole in club finances!)
Can't be many left now
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I really do laugh at the naivety sometimes of our fans. Do you honestly believe a football manager can go out and buy a player without the owners authority? If Malky is culpable then Tan is more so. There is absolutely no way Malky could have bought Corny without Tan's ultimate authority.
That's a ridiculous argument. On what basis do you think Tan was qualified to judge the player? He would have left the decision to those who were supposed to know these things.
Tan's money - Malky and Moody's choices, that's the way it worked. Throwing the obvious poor judgement of Mackay back in Tan's court for buying Corny is ludicrous.
Spark!
We are talking about a man who currently professes to be a doctor of football and able to manage a football team having been in football no time. Tan has called the shots from day one. He was the one who blocked the Wanyama deal due to financial concerns. Why do you think he chose to not do the same in the Corny transfer?
We are talking about a man who currently professes to be a doctor of football and able to manage a football team having been in football no time. Tan has called the shots from day one. He was the one who blocked the Wanyama deal due to financial concerns. Why do you think he chose to not do the same in the Corny transfer?
Think it's 'talked to' me old son. 
But you're right, Ince seems to tout himself around and is actually not as good as he thinks he is. A wasted talent that with the right attitude and coaching could have been a decent player imo.
But you're right, Ince seems to tout himself around and is actually not as good as he thinks he is. A wasted talent that with the right attitude and coaching could have been a decent player imo.The reported reasoning for the Wanyama break down was a sudden £1m agents fee being chucked in. Tan refusing to meet what he considered an agents unreasonable demands is hardly the same as telling his manager he couldn't sign a striker for football reasons. Can you imagine the justifiable uproar that would have occurred if Tan had been vetoing signings on his opinions of football reasons? You can be absolutely sure MM would have told the world and it's dog had Tan ever done that.
Just to update the Corneliusgate story. Since returning to Denmark he has scored 9 in 24 appearances (courtesy of Wiki) so not exactly set the Mickey Mouse League alive then. He scored 18 in 34 before coming here where he managed none in 8 first team appearances - mostly as sub.
2 words or 3 if you count his nickname, Teflon Simon Lim.
As CEO and VT's Cardiff based right hand man he would have signed off on Malky's deals. He managed to sneak away fairly quietly once most of the dust had settled. In his defence, he knew little or nothing about football and was probably steam rollered by Malky and Moody.
Bob - Wanyama was a completely different scenario altogether. Nobody else was seriously anywhere in the "race" to sign Cornelius, whereas Celtic played the Waynama bait like a good club should and haggled the price up. Southampton played their game and bit harder than anyone else.
There comes a time to stop being played on a line and spit out the bait - If Tan was instrumental in that, he did the right thing.
The fact of the mater is that Malky/Moody went to Copenhagen with a ridiculous offer for Corny that even they admitted themselves after the deal was completely beyond their expectations.
There comes a time to stop being played on a line and spit out the bait - If Tan was instrumental in that, he did the right thing.
The fact of the mater is that Malky/Moody went to Copenhagen with a ridiculous offer for Corny that even they admitted themselves after the deal was completely beyond their expectations.
Sparkey........your missing the point.......you've highlighted the line which includes the words 'ultimate authority'. Yes Tan knew nothing about football then (nor now IMO) and he would have listened to M & M.....ultimately though M & M would have had to go back to Tan & say 'we need a striker & so & so is worth this amount'. Tan would then have to sanction that if it went ahead. So rightly or wrongly Tan was ultimately responsible. Cornelius may have been a waste of money, but Tan agreed to the purchase upon M & M's advice. M & M might have 'overspent' in terms of value for money or players true worth, but to suggest they spent money that wasn't sanctioned by Tan is ludicrous.
You are guilty taff.....after all, we tried this 'attractive' football malarky over the last Ten Months and look where it got us. Now we're starting again under another more cautious manager. Give me s**t football (your words) any day....I'd rather call it sensible football, built from a solid back four.....when you've built a solid foundation (this time last year), then gradually introduce 'attractive' football....now where have I witnessed that before???
From what I've established reading the reports the difference in budget came from the spend on wages. As an example Tan said "£35M budget" expecting that to fund all acquisitions including wages. MM and Moody spent that on players then added the wages. Only Lim can have authorised that without Tan's backing imo. As the MM supporters are pointing out, someone signed off the extra millions and I doubt either of the M's had the authority to do that.
Teflon Lim has gone, he was placed on gardening leave as soon as the **** storm hit. That tells it's own story imo.
I believe without any great in depth knowledge of the situation that Lim is/was a personal friend of Tan's. That changes the way he'd handle him, but he's been ****ed off out of the club whatever way you look at it.
Teflon Lim has gone, he was placed on gardening leave as soon as the **** storm hit. That tells it's own story imo.
I believe without any great in depth knowledge of the situation that Lim is/was a personal friend of Tan's. That changes the way he'd handle him, but he's been ****ed off out of the club whatever way you look at it.
So there's only 2 ways to play the game? MM was ultra cautious, one of the most defensive minded coaches I've ever seen. He benched Noone for our first 12 PL matches because he can't defend well enough. We were clueless going forward away at West Ham opening day. League cup Noone plays against them, scores a stunner and is rewarded with another 6 or 8 games glued to the bench. Russell has already shown more attacking intent in selection than MM ever did despite the fact he'd have been totally forgiven for turning up and shutting up shop by the fans due to the mess we were in.
So you enjoyed watching the garbage relegation form football feast we were served on our way to the championship title? We were promoted to the premiership because the championship was having its worst showing in years.
MM was so good we were bottom half of the table all season until he left. Why? Because he was a one trick pony and managed his budget and the team poorly. Look where the other promoted teams are who were worse than us and went up with us. The difference being they had better managers than MM. If you recall I said we'd struggle in the premier league and would be lucky to avoid relegation before MM bought his quality players in and under-achieved. So yes play attractive football if you don't think we can stay up. MM was out of his league in the premiership.
Bottom line (in my opinion) MM is a young manager who needs to learn his craft in league 2 before going anywhere else. His football is style is dire and his management qualities are not developed enough.
Whiffle - now you're being pedantic. Of course Tan effectively "sanctioned" the spend on Corny because he provided the cash for his manager and head of recruitment. That in no way means he had any input as to the suitabilty of the player.
Tan relied on the judgement of his appointed "professionals" to identify those players who could do us a job - the ****up rests with those football "professionals". I dont like Tan at our club as much as anyone else but ffs stop blaming him for the obvious failings of others.
Tan relied on the judgement of his appointed "professionals" to identify those players who could do us a job - the ****up rests with those football "professionals". I dont like Tan at our club as much as anyone else but ffs stop blaming him for the obvious failings of others.
The bottom line was "No Tan, no club". That is beyond dispute. We would have been into admin, possibly liquidated and had some embryo club trying to play it's way back up through the leagues - see Newport County. While some reservations were expressed we were all pretty glad when he arrived with his long arms and deep pockets. We had no other option!!!!
None of us really know what happened between Malky, Moody, VT and Lim. It is all conjecture and nothing on here has not been said before.
Okay we are now where we are but that is still the second best league in the UK and one of the top half dozen supported leagues in Europe. Our squad is not perfect but has a number of very talented players. It is up to our new manager to get them playing together as a team and push us up this league.
It would be so much more helpful if we were to stop whinging about the past and focus on now and the future. Going on as we do only continues to provide a w**k fest for our friends down west.
None of us really know what happened between Malky, Moody, VT and Lim. It is all conjecture and nothing on here has not been said before.
Okay we are now where we are but that is still the second best league in the UK and one of the top half dozen supported leagues in Europe. Our squad is not perfect but has a number of very talented players. It is up to our new manager to get them playing together as a team and push us up this league.
It would be so much more helpful if we were to stop whinging about the past and focus on now and the future. Going on as we do only continues to provide a w**k fest for our friends down west.
BfB!
Whether the club would have gone to the wall without Tan is an argument for another day fella.
I do agree though that all our theories are tainted by some bias. None of us know all the facts, but something tells me all will be revealed in an explosive expose sometime in the future. I also agree on the whinging stopping, but you have to look at the source of this debate yet again. If Tan shut the f** up this debate wouldn't be happening today. He should stop overshadowing the new managers current realm and stay out of the news.
Whether the club would have gone to the wall without Tan is an argument for another day fella.
I do agree though that all our theories are tainted by some bias. None of us know all the facts, but something tells me all will be revealed in an explosive expose sometime in the future. I also agree on the whinging stopping, but you have to look at the source of this debate yet again. If Tan shut the f** up this debate wouldn't be happening today. He should stop overshadowing the new managers current realm and stay out of the news.
If Tan shut the f** up this debate wouldn't be happening today. He should stop overshadowing the new managers current realm and stay out of the news.
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
I also totally agree with this. The man has become his own worst enemy and is rapidly becoming as much a liability to to the club as well as the "financial saviour" he likes to portray.
His interview offerings make it increasingly obvious if it wasn't before, that he has no feelings for this club at all.
However he is here for the moment and all we can do is support the manager and players on the pitch.
His staying away from games is positive as we can focus on the game and supporting the team. A divisive factor is removed.
However he reignites the flames by continually dropping his media bombshells. If he can stop fanning the flames then things will runmuch more smoothly.
However he reignites the flames by continually dropping his media bombshells. If he can stop fanning the flames then things will runmuch more smoothly.