I can't be arsed to watch the interview, but Harry is clueless imo, evidenced by the fact that he specifically recruited with a mind to playing 3-5-2 this season and abandoned the system after a game and a half. We now have squad that is not equipped to play any other formation, and he whines about that being the case. I believe that we will most likely be relegated under Redknapp. The most worrying thing, though, is that TF seems to still be starstruck by Redknapp and has supposedly offered him a new contract
Is Harry Clueless?
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No, please watch it. A remarkable performance of hesitation, avoiding eye contact and general shrugging. Seriously weird.
Come on Stan. He didn't anticipate getting any criticism and hadn't had enough time to line up his excuses in a convenient row so that he could deploy them in a timely manner. Either that or blow me down he was faced with a journo who doesn't worship at his feet. Hardly Harold's fault that he was ambushed so cruelly. He doesn't expect interviewers to be nasty to him. Every time I see him I think of poor Toad of Toad Hall crying his eyes out in gaol.
WTF?
WTF is the matter with you 2. Nines, why do I want to have a dig at you? I dont know so please tell me what the hell you are talking about. PM me if you like or post on the board, i dont particularly care TBH.
The reason i was suprised is because i didnt realise you were "anti-Harry" thats all. ive not seen it promoted in much that you have posted?
Yorlkie, you are of course correct. the man that picks the team should be held responsible.
He brought in players to play a system that the exisiting players and crowd dont like. if he changes to a 4-4-2 sto appease the players and crowd then he does not really have the players to do a "good enough" job.
If he keeps the 3 at the back system, them the crowd (this board included) hate him. Cant win can he really?
The main of the team are still here also. Ned, Green, Barton, Krank, hoilett, Austin, Traore, Yun, SWP(?), Zamora, etc were all part of our squad last year, so the myth that he has started again is rubbish. I grant you that they are not auto starters but lets be honest..most of last years team simply arent good enough for the prem. Simpson at LCFC hasnt had a look in yet.
Im not defending H at all & i accept that he made some bad calls, but as i said at the start of the season..Im giving him 12-15 games before i make a decision. Last year i said id judge at the end of the season, and look where we are. it would be very foolish to make any decision at this time considering the position of teams like Southampton, ManUre and others.
Still if you guys want him out, dont let me stop you posting. just dont agree personally, although i may well change my opinion at a later date
My apologies Queens. I misinterpreted your post. My response wasn't a very good one and is a great example of not to post on here after going out and having a couple of medium sherries. DPWP. ( Don't post when pissed. )
Redknapp? Personally ain't mega-keen but he got us up and deserves a run till the end of November. 13 points or less by then he has to go. I'd still say it was a good point against Stoke parenthesised as it was by their away wins v Citeh and Sunderland.
I'll keep banging this drum but, pre-season, what did any of us expect? Go back to the finishing position thread. This is what 15-17th place looks like. We won't go down based on piss-poor away days at Spurs or Man Yew.
Wider issues regarding managers, imaginary training ground/stadium, buying policy (and the financial s**t storm we now face as a result) have to be answered by Teflon Tone.
It's a vision thing.
This is where I repeat myself one more time. The wheels came off when Teflon Tone, running on hubris and fuelled by dreams of Global Branding and hopes of lucrative Urban Regeneration, dismissed Warnock. Prior to that we had the option to yo-yo for a season or four/five/six whatever. Maybe go down with debts in the region of 50 million and build for the future within our means. We don't have that option anymore. If we go down this season, FFP fines and legal costs aside, we'll owe 5 times that much. Now it's all about survival. If we're lucky we pay Teflon Tone back for his reckless gambling, with some vague hope of playing at an unconfirmed music venue we won't own in the dim and distant. And we like him?
God he's good.
He could and should have said no at any time to the ridiculous spending. He didn't. Make of that what you will.
Blame Warnock, Hughes, Redknapp, Taarabt or Tom Cobley and miss the point by a country mile.
Excellent post. Sorry for cherry-picking.
So Yorkie..based on your reply regarding a terrible interview with Redknapp, then i can go and find you tube clips of Adel giving the ball away countless times and start a thread saying he is useless, Austin missing goals and a penalty and say he is useless, Boswinga making a few good tackles and say he is great, SWP scoring at Chelsea and say he is a fantastic player.....etc you get the idea
The fact that Redknapp ****s up in 1 interview means he is clueless? sorry mate i dont buy into that..!
The reason i commented originally was because this whole thread is just a feeble excuse for those that got it so badly wrong last season about Redknapp, to try and have a dig.
i dont think he's the messiah or amazing but i do think he is a better option than some who have been mentioned.
those cheap digs are killing people and for the record, i think the reason Flyer left was because he made himself look such a mug with his anti Redknapp "hell never get us up' crap, that he had too. How much **** would he be getting now and stupid must he feel?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions on Harry and personally, im going to give him a decent run before i make any decisions
So yes he has f-ked up a bit but yes he has also got some decent players in that could do the job..we'll see
as for the criticism of TF...some people have very short memories..were you there when we were passing the buckets around?
can you really ever see us doing that again?As for you Yorkie.please stop wondering (fantasising) about my genitals..thanks
...................So Yorkie..based on your reply regarding a terrible interview with Redknapp, then i can go and find you tube clips of Adel giving the ball away countless times and start a thread saying he is useless,......................
But you do. It's your trademark.
All I want you to do is explain what you meant by "Who the F is gong to do any better with this team?.." You seem to take it personally that others don't agree with you about Redknapp - it's no good saying:
1 Yes he's making a pig ears of it and has made some howlers.
2 I'm going to give him 12-15 games
While at the same time having a go at others who say in different words " he's making a pigs ear of it and has made some howlers" and "We can't afford to give him 12-15 games to put it right." Life is too short to be waging war over nothing at all.
Any way, I'm much relieved to hear that your knackers aren't bothering you any more, so chill dude.
On no. 2 I actually agree with you which means there is actually no dispute between us. No1 seems to be a view held unanimously by all on here.
As for the Redknapp bashers conspiracy, come on. You can do better than that. You imply that only Redknapp could have got us up and that somehow it was a miracle we did go up. Sorry mate. You weren't there at numerous games away from home where my team were humiliating and played with a total lack of imagination. That is the reason why we couldn't stand the guy. From a so-called dream start where we scored about 8 goals in total in the first ten games while conceding only 1, we almost threw it away, while HR moaned and whined about bad luck of losing your only fit striker for three months and that we were short of options up front. Whose bloody fault was that?
Great they dug in at home against Wigan and got their just rewards but if you think that the play off final against Derby was anything other than a fluky result you really are deluded. I can see that playing for penalties may be wise in certain circumstances but only if you are confident that your defence can keep them at bay for 40 minutes and then 30 minutes extra time. But not if you are relying on your goalie to play the game of his life. If Rob Green had played an average game we would have lost that comfortably. They had more than enough clear-cut chances in the second half.
It's great to remember the occasion and I too am fond of remembering it in rose-tints but I see no reason to shower Redknapp with adulation for what was a match in which we had one shot on target all game. Incidentally, I also agree with you that one fluky shot by Bobby Zamora is not reason enough why he should have been given a new contract.
But you do. It's your trademark.
All I want you to do is explain what you meant by "Who the F is gong to do any better with this team?.." You seem to take it personally that others don't agree with you about Redknapp - it's no good saying:
1 Yes he's making a pig ears of it and has made some howlers.
2 I'm going to give him 12-15 games
While at the same time having a go at others who say in different words " he's making a pigs ear of it and has made some howlers" and "We can't afford to give him 12-15 games to put it right." Life is too short to be waging war over nothing at all.
Any way, I'm much relieved to hear that your knackers aren't bothering you any more, so chill dude.
On no. 2 I actually agree with you which means there is actually no dispute between us. No1 seems to be a view held unanimously by all on here.
As for the Redknapp bashers conspiracy, come on. You can do better than that. You imply that only Redknapp could have got us up and that somehow it was a miracle we did go up. Sorry mate. You weren't there at numerous games away from home where my team were humiliating and played with a total lack of imagination. That is the reason why we couldn't stand the guy. From a so-called dream start where we scored about 8 goals in total in the first ten games while conceding only 1, we almost threw it away, while HR moaned and whined about bad luck of losing your only fit striker for three months and that we were short of options up front. Whose bloody fault was that?
Great they dug in at home against Wigan and got their just rewards but if you think that the play off final against Derby was anything other than a fluky result you really are deluded. I can see that playing for penalties may be wise in certain circumstances but only if you are confident that your defence can keep them at bay for 40 minutes and then 30 minutes extra time. But not if you are relying on your goalie to play the game of his life. If Rob Green had played an average game we would have lost that comfortably. They had more than enough clear-cut chances in the second half.
It's great to remember the occasion and I too am fond of remembering it in rose-tints but I see no reason to shower Redknapp with adulation for what was a match in which we had one shot on target all game. Incidentally, I also agree with you that one fluky shot by Bobby Zamora is not reason enough why he should have been given a new contract.
Redknapp? Personally ain't mega-keen but he got us up and deserves a run till the end of November. 13 points or less by then he has to go. I'd still say it was a good point against Stoke parenthesised as it was by their away wins v Citeh and Sunderland.
I'll keep banging this drum but, pre-season, what did any of us expect? Go back to the finishing position thread. This is what 15-17th place looks like. We won't go down based on piss-poor away days at Spurs or Man Yew.
Wider issues regarding managers, imaginary training ground/stadium, buying policy (and the financial s**t storm we now face as a result) have to be answered by Teflon Tone.
It's a vision thing.
This is where I repeat myself one more time. The wheels came off when Teflon Tone, running on hubris and fuelled by dreams of Global Branding and hopes of lucrative Urban Regeneration, dismissed Warnock. Prior to that we had the option to yo-yo for a season or four/five/six whatever. Maybe go down with debts in the region of 50 million and build for the future within our means. We don't have that option anymore. If we go down this season, FFP fines and legal costs aside, we'll owe 5 times that much. Now it's all about survival. If we're lucky we pay Teflon Tone back for his reckless gambling, with some vague hope of playing at an unconfirmed music venue we won't own in the dim and distant. And we like him?
God he's good.
He could and should have said no at any time to the ridiculous spending. He didn't. Make of that what you will.
Blame Warnock, Hughes, Redknapp, Taarabt or Tom Cobley and miss the point by a country mile.
Excellent post. Sorry for cherry-picking.
Correct, 100% agree with all you say. Nothing more to add.
Again it looks like its tactics that are letting us down. It was only when we went a goal behind that we started attacking them and creating chances. Redknapp doesn't encourage his team to go forward, at least not away from home, so we just sit and wait to let one in - which inevitably happens in this league. If the players were let off the leash and told to have a real go from the off we might actually take the lead in games and, heaven forbid, win one!
Maybe its just taking time and its all going to come together soon but it had better had, very bloody soon.
Still can't see what exactly Hoddle has brought to the table yet. Can anyone enlighten me?
Maybe its just taking time and its all going to come together soon but it had better had, very bloody soon.
Still can't see what exactly Hoddle has brought to the table yet. Can anyone enlighten me?
...................So Yorkie..based on your reply regarding a terrible interview with Redknapp, then i can go and find you tube clips of Adel giving the ball away countless times and start a thread saying he is useless,......................
But you do. It's your trademark.
All I want you to do is explain what you meant by "Who the F is gong to do any better with this team?.." You seem to take it personally that others don't agree with you about Redknapp - it's no good saying:
1 Yes he's making a pig ears of it and has made some howlers.
2 I'm going to give him 12-15 games
While at the same time having a go at others who say in different words " he's making a pigs ear of it and has made some howlers" and "We can't afford to give him 12-15 games to put it right." Life is too short to be waging war over nothing at all.
Any way, I'm much relieved to hear that your knackers aren't bothering you any more, so chill dude.
On no. 2 I actually agree with you which means there is actually no dispute between us. No1 seems to be a view held unanimously by all on here.
As for the Redknapp bashers conspiracy, come on. You can do better than that. You imply that only Redknapp could have got us up and that somehow it was a miracle we did go up. Sorry mate. You weren't there at numerous games away from home where my team were humiliating and played with a total lack of imagination. That is the reason why we couldn't stand the guy. From a so-called dream start where we scored about 8 goals in total in the first ten games while conceding only 1, we almost threw it away, while HR moaned and whined about bad luck of losing your only fit striker for three months and that we were short of options up front. Whose bloody fault was that?
Great they dug in at home against Wigan and got their just rewards but if you think that the play off final against Derby was anything other than a fluky result you really are deluded. I can see that playing for penalties may be wise in certain circumstances but only if you are confident that your defence can keep them at bay for 40 minutes and then 30 minutes extra time. But not if you are relying on your goalie to play the game of his life. If Rob Green had played an average game we would have lost that comfortably. They had more than enough clear-cut chances in the second half.
It's great to remember the occasion and I too am fond of remembering it in rose-tints but I see no reason to shower Redknapp with adulation for what was a match in which we had one shot on target all game. Incidentally, I also agree with you that one fluky shot by Bobby Zamora is not reason enough why he should have been given a new contract.
Oh come on..we are in the Prem and to do that..we had to beat Wigan...When are any of you nti Harry mob going to give him credit for that. You are all to willing to dish out crap for him..so come on then..lets see you dish out praise for him.
Really cant be arsed with the Adel arguments...he's already proved what i said 3 year ago. Dont need to carry that on.
The Redjknapp haterz must be feeling real stupid thus far and any chance is an excuse to have a go. Fair enough to those of you, but it looks like your going to have more egg on that face.
We aint great but we are improving and last night showed that. If we go do, then so be it if we are progressing. Posters with thier own agendas over HR and TF just get boring after a while, esp when you question them about it.
I get people dont like Harry, thats fair enough, but he mugged a lot of people of by getting promoted (luckily) and i wouldnt put it past him to do the same again this year. Personally the whole club ha my support in its direction for 15 games r so. After that i may ask questions.
How many points did we have under MH at this time previously
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and i dont begrudge you yours, just wish you'd stop commenting on my genitals.....Is this a black thing that arouses you?
“They were always dangerous on the break obviously because we were pushing people forward but we didn’t drop our heads, we didn’t give up today and I thought it was a much better performance."
Was just reading Harry's post match comments again and that bit is revealing. He obviously thinks if we're more attack-minded then we'll ship goals at the other end. He said it after the Hull game too, that they only started creating chances when we was chasing the game.
Was just reading Harry's post match comments again and that bit is revealing. He obviously thinks if we're more attack-minded then we'll ship goals at the other end. He said it after the Hull game too, that they only started creating chances when we was chasing the game.
And there you have it Swords.
The difference between Harry at tottenham & Every other club he has managed inthe Premier.
He knew that Tottenham could score goals while he has little faith in our abiity to get more than one (I grant that he has grounds!).
WEhat he can't seem to grasp though, is that we not not avoid concedeing if we are being attacked. After all, their goals came while we were sat back & happy with a point.
The difference between Harry at tottenham & Every other club he has managed inthe Premier.
He knew that Tottenham could score goals while he has little faith in our abiity to get more than one (I grant that he has grounds!).
WEhat he can't seem to grasp though, is that we not not avoid concedeing if we are being attacked. After all, their goals came while we were sat back & happy with a point.
So what precisely does that reveal to you? We push players forward and the other team will be more dangerous on the counter attack. Really? Who would ever have guessed that? Let me take you and Harold into a secret world - one where forwards try to get into position to attack and midfielders can both defend and attack. Why on earth would we be exposed to the counterattack if we kept our defensive discipline. in theory there are six people who could be in the box or attacking it. Have a look next time and you'll only ever see one. So when we lose the ball. give it away or simply get tackled there should be at least 4 players who should know what to do to prevent the other team getting a shot in. If one of those who has managed to get into a good shooting position misses, there should be enough time for our versatile good lads to get back.
I'm amazed that the old boy hasn't worked that out yet.
I hate the way the World has grown so cynical. First Eamo having a pop and now Yorkie.
There's a lot of bitterness floating around these days
There's a lot of bitterness floating around these days
And the second lesson is one that most of us learned when we first started to kick a football. You won't get anywhere if you don't want to take a shot. The best feeling you ever got playing football as a child was scoring a goal. When did it become so corrupted that the idea that you play a whole 90 minutes with the sole aim of not conceding became fashionable to a so-called attack minded manager? So he doesn't fancy our chances of scoring. What was the transfer window for? It's his team - he put it together and spent a lot of Tony's money doing so. Yet for the second year running he has left us with one good striker and a few spare parts that can be glued together each match for the 20 minutes at the end when we're chasing a goal. I don't want my manager moaning how we were unlucky and even more moaning how we're a bit short up front. I want him to do something about it.
Yorkie I know what you're talking about. What I'm wondering is, is the grass greener?
For five years Giovanni Trappatoni had Irish soccer fans cursing and swearing at him for refusing to allow the players (of a similar caliber to QPR's) attack and use whatever skill they had. He resolutely prohibited them do anything other than play for a 0-0 away and hopefully a 1-0 at home, regardless of the opposition. He clearly didn't think they were capable of doing anything other than stopping better teams from beating them. By the end of his reign he was just short of being lynched by the supporters.
However he took over a complete shambles, organised the side and led them to within a Thierry Henry handball of the World Cup and into the following European Championships. It was desperately ugly but had he played expansive, would it have turned out any better? I don't know. But sometimes us fans get it wrong too.
I'm tired of Droopy's excuses. I'm tired of him playing players not on form but on reputation (Henry won't get a look in next week). I'm tired of his players seemingly not knowing what they're doing and discouraged from having any attacking ambition.
But maybe we're just a game or two from it all coming together and Redknapp turning out to be a wise auld hand after all?
For five years Giovanni Trappatoni had Irish soccer fans cursing and swearing at him for refusing to allow the players (of a similar caliber to QPR's) attack and use whatever skill they had. He resolutely prohibited them do anything other than play for a 0-0 away and hopefully a 1-0 at home, regardless of the opposition. He clearly didn't think they were capable of doing anything other than stopping better teams from beating them. By the end of his reign he was just short of being lynched by the supporters.
However he took over a complete shambles, organised the side and led them to within a Thierry Henry handball of the World Cup and into the following European Championships. It was desperately ugly but had he played expansive, would it have turned out any better? I don't know. But sometimes us fans get it wrong too.
I'm tired of Droopy's excuses. I'm tired of him playing players not on form but on reputation (Henry won't get a look in next week). I'm tired of his players seemingly not knowing what they're doing and discouraged from having any attacking ambition.
But maybe we're just a game or two from it all coming together and Redknapp turning out to be a wise auld hand after all?
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It is now public..
http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/29/harry...erdinand-if-qpr-are-to-have-a-chance-4885513/
And the public are being invited to vote on it. I did...
http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/29/harry...erdinand-if-qpr-are-to-have-a-chance-4885513/
And the public are being invited to vote on it. I did...