Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  • Yes

  • No

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N OPEN LETTER FROM JIM SILLARS TO SCOTLAND’S PENSIONERS
I am 76 years of age. My State Pension is safe with independence, and so is yours. Who says so?
The UK Department for Work and Pensions in a statement made in January 2013:
“If Scotland does become independent this will have no effect on your State Pension, you will continue to receive it just as you do at present”
The Department explained that as we have paid our National Insurance Contributions, we have a legal entitlement to the State Pension.
The No campaign knew about that statement, yet through insinuation have made you think your pension was not safe; a despicable tactic to sow fear among the elderly when there are no grounds for fear.
There is, of course, more to the referendum than our pensions – there are our children and grandchildren. I want mine and yours to have a prosperous and secure life in Scotland; and not be among the 30,000 who leave our shores each year for Canada, Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere.
In every age group, except us Pensioners, polls show Yes is ahead. Our young people have great confidence in their ability to make Scotland better for all, with independence. Are we going to hold them back?
They are not self-centred. They show concern for their grandparents by determination to abolish the bedroom tax, which they know has caused anxiety and misery for Pensioners. They care about you.
They know what they owe you for all the love, affection and support they have received during their journey from birth to adulthood.
We grandparents can be proud of the good job we have done in helping to bring them up. They are a credit to themselves and to us.
But what about their future? With a No vote, nothing will change. Scotland will remain a low wage economy dominated by unemployment, with many families driven to food banks to feed their children, some of whom could be your grandchildren.
It will be a tragedy for them if we, in the final years of our lives, deny them the opportunity they want to rebuild a Scotland that gives their children, our grandchildren a better future. If I cannot persuade you to vote Yes, perhaps these words from Margo MacDonald will:
“This is our time of reckoning, we’ve got to take it, and if we don’t take it we are consigning our children to much less than we’ve had – to narrow horizons, lower aspirations ,we are consigning our children to being small when we should be giving them a much bigger world”.
Vote Yes.: give our children and grandchildren the chance they are asking for.
Jim Sillars
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Certainly doesn't do anyone any favours..


On a side note.. Love how salmond has lost it again.. With all the business banks all jumping ship. What was his response..


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Yep

Scaremongering <laugh>
Default answer to when he hasn't got a clue..

Though it was made better by calling it a conspiracy..

Anyway I hope you all vote no and we can all have a group hug, perhaps a reacharound and all have a go on gas's mrs by way of celebrating our mutual admiration and joy at being British.
 
returnofthesweatband said:
Certainly doesn't do anyone any favours..


On a side note.. Love how salmond has lost it again.. With all the business banks all jumping ship. What was his response..


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Yep

Scaremongering <laugh>
Default answer to when he hasn't got a clue..

Though it was made better by calling it a conspiracy..

Anyway I hope you all vote no and we can all have a group hug, perhaps a reacharound and all have a go on gas's mrs by way of celebrating our mutual admiration and joy at being British.
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Ffs Nigel.

Standard life . Before the 1997 devolution referendum theatened to pull out of Scotland if there was a Yes vote. There was a Yes vote. They are still here seventeen years later threatening to pull out of Scotland if there is a Yes vote.

Lloyds bank. Already have the HQ in London.

RBS. Stated that moving their HQ down south is a purely technical move and will not affect jobs in anyway. Plus when we **** off and tell you to ram your debt you ****s will own the ****ing thing anyway.

Ta ta Nige we never liked you anyway :emoticon-0109-kiss:
 
returnofthesweatband said:
Certainly doesn't do anyone any favours..


On a side note.. Love how salmond has lost it again.. With all the business banks all jumping ship. What was his response..


.......



Yep

Scaremongering <laugh>
Default answer to when he hasn't got a clue..

Though it was made better by calling it a conspiracy..

Anyway I hope you all vote no and we can all have a group hug, perhaps a reacharound and all have a go on gas's mrs by way of celebrating our mutual admiration and joy at being British.
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What would you call it when the PM asks supermarkets to come out and say there will be price rises?

Even though some companies have said the exact ****ing opposite.

Define Scaremongering at Dictionary.com. scaremonger. a person who creates or spreads alarming news. Also called fearmonger [feer-muhng-ger, -mong-] /&#712;f&#618;&#601;r&#716;m&#652;&#331; g&#601;r, -&#716;m&#594;&#331;-/ (Show IPA).
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Aye, its no scaremongering at all is it <doh>
 
I can't find the picture but according to the newest YouGov or ICM poll most 49% of people are voting yes because of Westminister policy.

6% are voting Yes because of the rest of the UK.

Aye, we're all nationalists.
 
MD 20/20 said:
What would you call it when the PM asks supermarkets to come out and say there will be price rises?

Even though some companies have said the exact ****ing opposite.



Aye, its no scaremongering at all is it <doh>
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So banks trying to push through legislation quickly so they can relocate is a lie? The CEO of asda Iceland, house of Fraser saying that the liklihood of price rises is fairly likely whilst giving legitimate reasons for them is also scaremongering? If someone provides facts as they see them then backs it with a legitimate reason I don't see that as scaremongering. If they were making things up based on fairy stories ala salmond then I'd take your point.

You didn't fancy the reacharound option and a go on gas's mrs then??
 
returnofthesweatband said:
So banks trying to push through legislation quickly so they can relocate is a lie? The CEO of asda Iceland, house of Fraser saying that the liklihood of price rises is fairly likely whilst giving legitimate reasons for them is also scaremongering? If someone provides facts as they see them then backs it with a legitimate reason I don't see that as scaremongering. If they were making things up based on fairy stories ala salmond then I'd take your point.

You didn't fancy the reacharound option and a go on gas's mrs then??
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Quite clearly you're only listening to one side.

Tesco have already said they have no plans to increase prices. Aldi and Lidl have said **** ALL about raising prices. Wetherspoons have said that its all bollocks.

So, basically, its alright for your examples to be right but its not for those who support an independent Scotlands <ok>

By the way - I wasn't aware that banks could push through legislation (???) They moved their registered offices. Nothing more.
 
Writing in the Herald today (Thursday) ASDA Chief Executive Andy Clarke stated “I am not saying prices have to rise in an independent Scotland. I am saying that politicians of all sides need to work with business if they want to reduce the cost of doing business and in turn the cost of living.”

Ooops. From December 2013 .


It's amazing what tea with call me Dave can do to ones perspective. :emoticon-0114-dull:
 
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