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From one of the Anti-Monk brigade that was rampant here when his mate said he heard Poz promising to take Canas and Michu with him. When you can't even interest any other club to do a free transfer swap deal then you know the player is not popular with other clubs. When you are happy to leave a profitable, well performing club in the Premier League for a debt ridden uncertain to be solvent Espanyol then that shows he didn't like the culture he and his click were trying to make here.
I put 1 + 1 and got 2.
You don't think these guys left for worse teams to better their chances of getting into the Spain squad, did you?
Take on what you say about gaining a new club, but Canas and Pozuello were told to find another club.
I have to say I get cheesed off when so much is repeated as gospel truth, when in reality it's made up by inadequates who want to give the impression they are in the know by destroying other people's reputation.
Reported in the post that they had been told they were no longer in the clubs plans and could look for other teams. I'll try finding it but that long ago might be beyond my attention span. It was before the USA tour, and appeared to have been accurate as they didn't travel with the club.
Also in the Wales online (which I could find) went with the report, possibly based on the one in the Post.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-midfielder-alejandro-pozuelo-7500051
Old news, now can you please indicate if you will answer my question?
If not I can safely assume the conversation is over.
May have been a trouble maker, but we don't know that to be true. All we know is as soon as Laudrup was gone some players were never in our plans. And, for whatever reason (not good enough, not able to play in a particular style, trouble making, belonging to the wrong clique, too Spanish, not Spanish enough) when Monk became full time manager he was one of the players no longer wanted at the club.
For the record, I started writing my bit before I'd had sight of your question. But the conversation is over.
Sweet! Now let's talk about Kate Upton's leaked pics... Man, I'd blow my load early for that girl!
Why would they pay when it was clear he was not wanted here and they could pick him up for nothing.
Similar issue with Michu if he returns now it has been said we don't want him back.
Wasn't one of the main stumbling blocks his PL wages.
As far as what every professional club in the world knows - pure conjecture and not very pretty or fair. Whenever he played for us I always thought he gave 100%, was a good player for us and had lots of potential to become excellent as he fully settled into the role.
So if I had a ferrari I didn't want I wouldn't get any money for it because people would know I didn't want it.
If you had a ferrari you needed to sell (say you had gone bankrupt) and potential buyers were aware of your situation then it is likely that you would receive less than market value for it.
As a footballer is not a Ferrari but a person who is a cog in a team then the dynamic changes.
A club who would like to recruit Canas' services (...and he was linked in the press to at least 4 on the continent) realise that Canas' manager wants him gone from the group as said manager believes his presence to be bad for team morale.
Swansea City put all of our cards on the table on this one.....freezing him out of match day squads, not taking him on the US tour, selling everybody connected with the unrest rumours, publicizing (via the local press) that Canas had been told to find himself a new club....therefore it was obvious to other clubs that Canas was seen as a problem that needed to be got rid of.
Therefore they did the logical thing and got us to pay Canas off so one of them picked up a freebie.
1) You think the vice captain of a top flight Spanish team who finished 5th/6th and then followed that with a season in the Prem where he made a lot of appearances....more than holding his own....is valued by the market at nothing? Delusional. The way his time ended here was due to the way we handled the situation. By your logic Bafetimbi Gomis is worth nothing.
2) petty, goes without saying.
3) I did didn't I
4) I could trawl back through threads to find the links I put up but that would be a complete waste of my time wouldn't it as you'd just dismiss it as paper talk. If you think there wasn't several European clubs who would want to pick up a player like Canas with his CV on a free that's your lookout. I'd say you were being extremely unrealistic myself......and he has joined a top flight European club now hasn't he? Perhaps he's paying them.
5) Rewrite of history this. Canas was in Monks' team. There was an incident that resulted in some fighting at training and from then on Monk didn't include him in any match day squads, didn't take him on pre-season tour and had him training with the kids. Not the actions of a manager looking to keep hold of somebody. The Post reported early in the summer that Canas and Pozuelo had been told to find themselves new clubs pronto.....before any of the players you mentioned started saying goodbye. If that makes Monk a liar (and I have no idea what he is supposed to have said on Canas) then so be it. Black is not white I'm afraid.
6) If his presence was not bad for team morale why would Monk have not taken Canas on tour....after all, if he couldn't find a club it would have been better to have him match fit wouldn't it as after all, in your world, Monk didn't want Canas to leave did he. Why would he give minutes to Sheehan and Adam King instead of a 1st team player trying to get a move (after all, better he got fit and perhaps scouted in order to push through a speedy transfer and free up the wages)?
7) By making it obvious he was considered a problem that needed removing we put any potential buyers in the driving seat, yes.
8) So ****ing disrespectful. We're talking about a player that had held his own in the Spanish top flight, the Europa League and the Prem. Amat's a centre-half, as you know. He certainly warranted minutes this summer over Sheehan, King and Fulton.
9) Yes, why? It was fairly obvious from late last season that the Spanish were considered a clique. The negativity aimed their way has been unrelenting on here. Their new manager was a rookie who had gone behind Laudrup's back (the guy who had brought them here). Maybe they felt unwanted.
10) Rather than sit in the reserves, maybe he did? Got a link to the quote yourself?
11) It was obvious because of all of the above. Canas isn't worth nothing.....there are players in the Championship with not nearly as good a CV changing hands for £1m+. We got nothing. Two different things altogether.
12) Where have I said we were bullied on this? The logical thing to do for them was to leave it alone until he had settled on a pay off with us as it saved them a great deal of money....a bit like if we were to sign a Ravel Morrison or Joey Barton who had clearly fallen out with his club and was saying no to being transferred out. We would just wait until the other club was forced to cut their losses then pick the player up on a free.....Actually, Gomis was in the same situation, but Lyon just let him run his contract down instead of paying him off.
2) petty, goes without saying.
3) I did didn't I
4) I could trawl back through threads to find the links I put up but that would be a complete waste of my time wouldn't it as you'd just dismiss it as paper talk. If you think there wasn't several European clubs who would want to pick up a player like Canas with his CV on a free that's your lookout. I'd say you were being extremely unrealistic myself......and he has joined a top flight European club now hasn't he? Perhaps he's paying them.
5) Rewrite of history this. Canas was in Monks' team. There was an incident that resulted in some fighting at training and from then on Monk didn't include him in any match day squads, didn't take him on pre-season tour and had him training with the kids. Not the actions of a manager looking to keep hold of somebody. The Post reported early in the summer that Canas and Pozuelo had been told to find themselves new clubs pronto.....before any of the players you mentioned started saying goodbye. If that makes Monk a liar (and I have no idea what he is supposed to have said on Canas) then so be it. Black is not white I'm afraid.
6) If his presence was not bad for team morale why would Monk have not taken Canas on tour....after all, if he couldn't find a club it would have been better to have him match fit wouldn't it as after all, in your world, Monk didn't want Canas to leave did he. Why would he give minutes to Sheehan and Adam King instead of a 1st team player trying to get a move (after all, better he got fit and perhaps scouted in order to push through a speedy transfer and free up the wages)?
7) By making it obvious he was considered a problem that needed removing we put any potential buyers in the driving seat, yes.
8) So ****ing disrespectful. We're talking about a player that had held his own in the Spanish top flight, the Europa League and the Prem. Amat's a centre-half, as you know. He certainly warranted minutes this summer over Sheehan, King and Fulton.
9) Yes, why? It was fairly obvious from late last season that the Spanish were considered a clique. The negativity aimed their way has been unrelenting on here. Their new manager was a rookie who had gone behind Laudrup's back (the guy who had brought them here). Maybe they felt unwanted.
10) Rather than sit in the reserves, maybe he did? Got a link to the quote yourself?
11) It was obvious because of all of the above. Canas isn't worth nothing.....there are players in the Championship with not nearly as good a CV changing hands for £1m+. We got nothing. Two different things altogether.
12) Where have I said we were bullied on this? The logical thing to do for them was to leave it alone until he had settled on a pay off with us as it saved them a great deal of money....a bit like if we were to sign a Ravel Morrison or Joey Barton who had clearly fallen out with his club and was saying no to being transferred out. We would just wait until the other club was forced to cut their losses then pick the player up on a free.....Actually, Gomis was in the same situation, but Lyon just let him run his contract down instead of paying him off.
Ya got my vote , finally something sensible out that pie hole of yours .. good man . Terror for chairman..
We would go bust in a weekHuw and the board obviously ****ed up big time on this deal as well.
Isn't it about time their disastrous reign came to an end and Terror Ball was made chairman?
He can make us millions more on every single deal (well according to him he can
.1) You think the vice captain of a top flight
hardly pulled up the daisies did they?
Spanish team who finished 5th/6th
make your mind up
and then followed that with a season in the Prem where he made a lot of appearances
picked by Laudrup, say no more
....more than holding his own
So that's what he was doing, I thought he had a limp
....is valued by the market at nothing? Delusional
Delusion, its a fact TB, Market valued him as NOTHING.
The way his time ended here was due to the way we handled the situation. By your logic Bafetimbi Gomis is worth nothing.
Showing your ignorance now TB, Bafe's club wouldn't sell him because he was good enough to play, on the football field and not with himself. Why his club ran his contract down a la Pratley, they wouldn't sell him, we couldn't give Canas away, different story entirely TB
2) petty, goes without saying.
Why say it then
3) I did didn't I
Yes, you did
4) I could trawl back through threads to find the links I put up but that would be a complete waste of my time wouldn't it as you'd just dismiss it as paper talk. If you think there wasn't several European clubs who would want to pick up a player like Canas with his CV on a free that's your lookout.
Who were they then, you brought them up TB, its like saying, "I know a girl that fancies you but I'm not going to say who it is", kinda childish TB
I'd say you were being extremely unrealistic myself......and he has joined a top flight
outside of the two Madrids' and Barcelona, there is no top flight in Spain
European club now hasn't he? Perhaps he's paying them
Probably the only way he'd get a game
5) Rewrite of history this
???.
Canas was in Monks' team
Nope, Monk inherited Canas, big dif TB.
There was an incident that resulted in some fighting at training
What happened? who did it involve? how was Canas involved? what was Monks role in all of this. We'll never know if you don't tell us all of the facts TB
and from then on Monk didn't include him in any match day squads,
He shouldn't be allowed to warm a park bench, that's why Monk dropped him
didn't take him on pre-season tour
Because he was looking for a new club,
and had him training with the kids because no one in the first team liked him maybe? .
Not the actions of a manager looking to keep hold of somebody
Nope, that's the actions of a manager thinking of his squad and the job at hand, after-all, that's what his job TB, he's not Canas, or any players, baby sitter..
The Post reported early in the summer that Canas and Pozuelo had been told to find themselves new clubs pronto
I recall it reported that they'd asked to leave
.....before any of the players you mentioned
you mentioned
started saying goodbye
How do you know that TB, when did they ask to leave? you have the date?.
If that makes Monk a liar
If what?
(and I have no idea what he is supposed to have said on Canas)
but you seem so positive that he told Canas that he wasn't in his plans, make your mind up TB, your confusing yourself now.
then so be it. Black is not white I'm afraid.
No its Black, but regardless what your saying is that all of our summer and pre-season plans should have been tweaked to incorporate the wishes and wel being of a player who'd made it clear he wants out. What planet you on TB, is it uranus
6) If his presence was not bad for team morale why would Monk have not taken Canas on tour....after all, if he couldn't find a club it would have been better to have him match fit wouldn't it as after all, in your world, Monk didn't want Canas to leave did he.
Again, there you go saying we should have spent all of our summer and pre-season tour thinking about a player barely good enough to warm a bench at a bus stop. I think in truth TB, Monk had far more important things to consider than the feelings of an individual. Your actually saying that Monk should be considering Canas over the team. Your credibility is diminishing fast TB and your true colours shining through. Why would he give minutes to Sheehan and Adam King instead of a 1st team
you propose that we interfere with the development and well being of our developing players to cater for Canas. Please tell me your a TROLL TB, because if you hold that view and your not, then that means your a bloobie and I don't know what's worse.
player trying to get a move (after all, better he got fit and perhaps scouted in order to push through a speedy transfer and free up the wages)?
Canas first again
7) By making it obvious he was considered a problem
if your to be believed TB all we said was that he wasn't in our plans. That's hardly making him a problem is it? Maybe other clubs just knew he was problem, hence the non existent influx of offers
that needed removing we put any potential buyers in the driving seat, yes.
No, it's his agents job to sell him not ours. If what you say is true, he was simply given notice by us. You seem determined to blame us for his and his agents misgivings. Its his job to be fit enough and good enough to play for us, its his agents job to find him a new club, not ours. After all we've a club to run, yes?
8) So ****ing disrespectful. We're talking about a player that had held his own in the Spanish top flight,
where's that then
the Europa League
Picked by Laudrup
and the Prem Don't make me laugh.
Amat's a centre-half, as you know
and a better DM than your golden boy/B].
He certainly warranted minutes this summer over Sheehan, King and Fulton.
So ****ing disrespectful ? who's being utterly ****ing disrespectful to Sheehan, King and Fulton, you'd be happy to f***k over any of our players in order to accommodate a dud, that's right isn't it TB?
9) Yes, why? It was fairly obvious from late last season that the Spanish were considered a clique
because they were.
The negativity aimed their way has been unrelenting on here
usually in response to you and your groupies.
Their new manager was a rookie who had gone behind Laudrup's back
Again, you seem to have all the facts before you, spread them around and tell us all what happened, why people felt they needed to do what you say they did? One of the complaints was about tumulutu who was going around the training ground tapping up our players. Got any facts about that then TB?
(the guy who had brought them here). Maybe they felt unwanted.
Have to earn respect, seems like you golden clique weren't prepared to work for a living. No more guaranteed starts etc, imo they just wanted to take the starters cash and not compete for it, that's what I think TB.
10) Rather than sit in the reserves, maybe he did? Got a link to the quote yourself?
Oh I see, you refuse to provide any source or links but expect me to do it for you. You know what TB, I can't be arsed either
11) It was obvious
to you alone
because of all of the above. Canas isn't worth nothing .....there are players in the Championship with not nearly as good a CV changing hands for £1m+. We got nothing
That says so much about Canas doesn't it Two different things altogether.
12) Where have I said we were bullied on this?
Just said that we succumbed yet again to the demands of others, this time it was teams pushing us into releasing Canas so they could snap him up for nothing. Before that we were being arse f****d by Tottenham
The logical thing to do for them was to leave it alone until he had settled on a pay off with us as it saved them a great deal of money ...a bit like if we were to sign a Ravel Morrison or Joey Barton who had clearly fallen out with his club and was saying no to being transferred out. We would just wait until the other club was forced to cut their losses then pick the player up on a free
Assuming we had no other club to compete with for his signature
.....Actually, Gomis was in the same situation, but Lyon just let him run his contract down instead of paying him off, Because he was a valuable player for them and provided returns on the playing field. Canas was nothing to us and he would never be a benefit to us all the while he was sitting on his arse sucking away the money. It was cheaper for us to dump him when we did, simple as that really. .
Huw and the board obviously ****ed up big time on this deal as well.
Isn't it about time their disastrous reign came to an end and Terror Ball was made chairman?
He can make us millions more on every single deal (well according to him he can
Why is it that when anyone even remotely questions our Board they are vilified and mocked by the morons that populate this forum?
Frankly I'd take anyone over Jenkins based on the last 8 months . It's obvious to me now that Jenkins road the coattails of his managers ability and drawing power for a long time . Now , Huw has to pay huge wages for freebees and overpay for players .Funny when you think of Jenkins idea of getting back to the Swansea way of spending , then had to spend 10 million for Siggy and 8 million for a defender, huge wages to Gomis and probably Fab .