1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Jack Cork

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by lamby, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2011
    Messages:
    35,745
    Likes Received:
    9,708
    If they are good enough they are good enough. The whole kids stuff is rubbish.
     
    #81
  2. dman

    dman Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2012
    Messages:
    781
    Likes Received:
    9
    This is all utterly confusing to me as a normal football fan. Over the past couple of seasons the Jack Cork that i have watched has been one of our best players in a very good team. I am totally amazed that Saints wish to sell Cork as well as all the others that have been let go. However the manager and the management team are the experts so i suppose that they must know best. But it does leave this fan confused and a bit sad if Cork is sold.
     
    #82
  3. Mr_Saintly

    Mr_Saintly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,463
    Likes Received:
    124
    I haven't seen anything from Reed to suggest to me he's good enough to be above Cork in the pecking order. JWP is developing, but I don't see any other first team, Premier League quality kids yet. We got rid of our best ones, we can't expect them all to be a Shaw or a Chambers.
     
    #83
  4. Che’s Godlike Thighs

    Che’s Godlike Thighs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    14,256
    Likes Received:
    23,726
    The u-21's. Hardly Premier League top half standard, is it?
     
    #84
  5. Che’s Godlike Thighs

    Che’s Godlike Thighs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    14,256
    Likes Received:
    23,726
    I remember the last time we had a Dutch manager who relied on youngsters.
     
    #85
  6. saintlyhero

    saintlyhero Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2011
    Messages:
    7,933
    Likes Received:
    3,982
    I'm afraid you kind of do have to give a **** about his decisions as they're the ones which are going to happen.

    I like Jack Cork as a footballer and I personally think he is better than JWP at the present moment and positions himself better defensively and keeps hold of ball better. However in the brief cameo from Taider I think he at least looks on par with Jack and could prove to be better.
     
    #86
  7. Pelletron

    Pelletron Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2011
    Messages:
    3,360
    Likes Received:
    1,139
    We should be getting rid of Morgan, Victor, Davis, and Ramirez in that case. None weighed in with more than two league goals last season if memory serves.
     
    #87
  8. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2011
    Messages:
    35,745
    Likes Received:
    9,708
    As Dan, I am not going crazy over Koeman being our manager until he proves himself. But then I am also not going to slate him yet either. If Koeman thinks Reed is a better option then for the time being I will have faith that he knows what he is on about.
     
    #88
  9. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    18,397
    Likes Received:
    71
    Yes, I do believe it. And what's wrong with that?
     
    #89
  10. Saintjoey

    Saintjoey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Messages:
    2,694
    Likes Received:
    1,207
    The bottom line is, in Koeman's formation, we only need 1 player to play the deep role rather than 2. As a result Wanyama and Schneiderlin are both ahead of him in that role and perhaps Reed is now too. Can't blame him for moving on that basis
     
    #90

  11. Mr_Saintly

    Mr_Saintly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,463
    Likes Received:
    124
    But does anyone actually genuinely expect Schneiderlin to ever play for us again? It'll be a very nice surprise if he does.
     
    #91
  12. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2011
    Messages:
    35,745
    Likes Received:
    9,708
    Difference is you are a fan so don't see everything a manager see's. Time will tell if Koeman is right.
     
    #92
  13. Gregm88

    Gregm88 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2014
    Messages:
    818
    Likes Received:
    164
    People are getting very precious about this.

    Koeman does not rate him. He has one year left on his contract. He does not want to sign on as a back up.

    As much as it may shock people on here, Koeman probably knows just a tad more about football than someone who posts on an internet forum and has watched from the stands.

    The links to various centre midfielders and loan (with option to buy as well) of taider are also pretty big clues as to how he regards Cork
     
    #93
  14. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    18,397
    Likes Received:
    71
    Don't be silly; if he doesn't leave us in this window (which I'm 90% sure he won't), then refusing to play for us would ruin his career.
     
    #94
  15. BassettSaint

    BassettSaint Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Messages:
    976
    Likes Received:
    177
    lol, please don't go there
     
    #95
  16. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2011
    Messages:
    35,745
    Likes Received:
    9,708
    If he said it to Morgan then who else did he say it to? What else did Cortese promise or line up for the players?
     
    #96
  17. Mr_Saintly

    Mr_Saintly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,463
    Likes Received:
    124
    Yeah, basically I'm expecting him to leave this window.
     
    #97
  18. Joe!

    Joe! Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    18,397
    Likes Received:
    71
    If a player wants to leave, and Cortese says "please give us one more season and then we'll move you on" that's fine by me. It's the right thing to do.
     
    #98
  19. Mr_Saintly

    Mr_Saintly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2012
    Messages:
    1,463
    Likes Received:
    124
    You're right. Koeman knows more about football than us so what's the point in us even having a debate or opinions? This is what a football forum is for, for fans to express an opinion. It may not always be the right one but we're allowed our say on the club's dealings.

    But instead, let's all just blindly hail King Koeman. I'm still very reserved in my opinion. I hope he knows what he's doing, and he probably does, but there's no evidence either way yet.
     
    #99
  20. Che’s Godlike Thighs

    Che’s Godlike Thighs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2012
    Messages:
    14,256
    Likes Received:
    23,726


    A brief cameo in a preseason friendly. Great. I'll go with the guy who has played 70/80 actual real games, thanks.

    Have I slated him? I just implied it's naive to put so much trust into a largely unproven manager.
     
    #100

Share This Page