Scotch Independence - the countdown

[monacoger]

The big crash is the very reason to get the **** away from the UK. The way an Independent Scotland would deal with it would be very different to the way the UK is handling it. The whole of Europe is in trouble the Germans are better placed because they still make things. We need to re-industrialise and there is no chance of that in the UK. Of the top 20 economys in the world 8 are small countries the size or smaller than Scotland. This give the lie to all those who talk about bigger is better.

Please name the 8 countries who are the same size or smaller who are in the top 20 economys(sic) in the world.

 

[Bib Fortuna's Maw]

I'm pretty sure they are registered in Edinburgh as their official HQ.

Gresham St. London.

I dunno if you do PF stuff - I think that's in the Burgh.

One thing about Edinburgh I noticed when I started working there about 4 or 5 years ago was that it was RBSToon - RBS had their Head Office there but they also had at least two offices next to mine in the Gyle and they had another gargantuan thing at Gogar.

 

[Spurf]

That's up there with Tarquin dismissing Live Debates after his bum chum was shafted.

ERIN if they want to do business in an Independent Scotland they will have to be close to the capital which as you may know is Edinburgh. I know it's difficult to think out the box and imagine that London is not the centre of the world but for most countries it is not.

Don't take my word for it look at what Scottish businesses say: http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/

 

[Bib Fortuna's Maw]

Please name the 8 countries who are the same size or smaller who are in the top 20 economys(sic) in the world.

Doesn't that depend on how you measure it?

If it's by GDP it'll all be big countries but if it's by PPP, it'll mostly be small countries

 

[EDGE.]

Please name the 8 countries who are the same size or smaller who are in the top 20 economys(sic) in the world.

Lux, Singapore, Iceland, Qatar, Brunei, Northern ireland

FFS!

 

[monacoger]

Gresham St. London.

I dunno if you do PF stuff - I think that's in the Burgh.

One thing about Edinburgh I noticed when I started working there about 4 or 5 years ago was that it was RBSToon - RBS had their Head Office there but they also had at least two offices next to mine in the Gyle and they had another gargantuan thing at Gogar.

Certainly some of it is registered in Edinburgh, like Scottish Widows, which is owned by Lloyds is it not?

 

[monacoger]

I'm talking about how everybody on the planet measures it, hence the G20, who have the 20 largest economies on the planet. GDP, is the way forward, certainly for my argument!

 

[RAVENBLACK]

ERIN if they want to do business in an Independent Scotland they will have to be close to the capital which as you may know is Edinburgh. I know it's difficult to think out the box and imagine that London is not the centre of the world but for most countries it is not.

Don't take my word for it look at what Scottish businesses say: http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/

The North East of Scotland is where the centre should be. After London and The South we contribute most to the UK economy.

Edinburgh is just a backward looking City smacked up out of it's head.

Glasgow is far better.

 

[Bib Fortuna's Maw]

Certainly some of it is registered in Edinburgh, like Scottish Widows, which is owned by Lloyds is it not?

Yeah, it is as far as I know.

I worked for a bank back in 2000 and it was bought over by Lloyds.

Everyone got made redundant within 2 years - they basically bought it, took the brand and eliminated a competitor - the recent acquisitions by Lloyds are a pretty deliberate corporate plan - they had a better book than most other banks over the last few years and have soaked loads of brands up.

My current place inherited some of RBS's insurance book - that's the total opposite, they were just punting off any old ****e that they'd over acquired or, to use Lloyds language "operated as a co-brand".

 

[Girvan Loyal 1690]

Could say miles better

 

[Spurf]

1 Qatar 98,814
2 Luxembourg 78,670
3 Singapore 64,584
4 Norway 54,947
5 Brunei 53,431
6 United States 53,101
— Hong Kong 52,722
7 Switzerland 46,430
8 San Marino[6][7] 44,480
9 Canada 43,472
10 Australia 43,073
11 Austria 42,597
12 Netherlands 41,711
13 Sweden 41,188
14 Iceland 41,000
15 Germany 40,007
16 Taiwan 39,767
17 Kuwait 39,706
18 Ireland 39,547
19 Denmark 37,900
20 Belgium

This is the top 20 wealthiest per capita. I am sure you can pick out the small countries.

Please name the 8 countries who are the same size or smaller who are in the top 20 economys(sic) in the world.

 

[Spurf]

The North East of Scotland is where the centre should be. After London and The South we contribute most to the UK economy.

Edinburgh is just a backward looking City smacked up out of it's head.

Glasgow is far better.

I prefer Glasgow too so you want Inverness?

 

[Bib Fortuna's Maw]

I'm talking about how everybody on the planet measures it, hence the G20, who have the 20 largest economies on the planet. GDP, is the way forward, certainly for my argument!

But that includes China and Russia, does it not?

Their economies are just built on raw scale.

Russia has a bigger economy than Qatar but Qatar is almost infinitely wealthier.

But, for the purposes of your argument (which, I think was related to state buy outs), yes, GDP is more important.

Weird thing is, Iceland (which a certain guy claimed this week was "bust") dealt with their financial crisis entirely differently from us. I think they're recovering faster than any other European country.

But, key to their recovery (and Ireland paying off their bailout) is the very fact that they're small.

Massive countries with big populations end up with bigger outright defecits and, as Obama will testify, their scale becomes a hindrance.

 

[RAVENBLACK]

I prefer Glasgow too so you want Inverness?

I like Inverness. Lovely town.

 

[Spurf]

Some useful websites

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/

http://wingsoverscotland.com/

http://newsnetscotland.com/


These will give an overview of what the pro independence people are doing.

The view that is not represented in the Main Stream Media.

 

[monacoger]

1 Qatar 98,814
2 Luxembourg 78,670
3 Singapore 64,584
4 Norway 54,947
5 Brunei 53,431
6 United States 53,101
— Hong Kong 52,722
7 Switzerland 46,430
8 San Marino[6][7] 44,480
9 Canada 43,472
10 Australia 43,073
11 Austria 42,597
12 Netherlands 41,711
13 Sweden 41,188
14 Iceland 41,000
15 Germany 40,007
16 Taiwan 39,767
17 Kuwait 39,706
18 Ireland 39,547
19 Denmark 37,900
20 Belgium

This is the top 20 wealthiest per capita. I am sure you can pick out the small countries.

So not the 20 largest economies in the world at all then? I see, you were lying, fair enough, you should have said so in the first pace.

 

[EDGE.]

Wings over Scotland guy is a complete prick and a bitter Jock ****.

Where's ST been since Salmond got gaped on live telly, anyway?

I've posted some stuff for him on the GC UNCUT!

 

[EDGE.]

So not the 20 largest economies in the world at all then? I see, you were lying, fair enough, you should have said so in the first pace.

If you had a choice, would you want to live in a rich country or be rich?

Simple yes or no will do you are a ****.

 

[Spurf]

So not the 20 largest economies in the world at all then? I see, you were lying, fair enough, you should have said so in the first pace.

I described it as the top twenty without describing per capita fair enough. But it is per capita that is important because it shows the wealth of the people. Looking at countries like Saudi Arabia or the UK thay are very rich but the percapita is low because the wealth is not spread around but is mostly in the hands of a few very people.

Note UK not there another reason for Scotland to become Independent.

 

[monacoger]

I described it as the top twenty without describing per capita fair enough. But it is per capita that is important because it shows the wealth of the people. Looking at countries like Saudi Arabia or the UK thay are very rich but the percapita is low because the wealth is not spread around but is mostly in the hands of a few very people.

Note UK not there another reason for Scotland to become Independent.

I reckon you could look at a list of the smallest economies per capita in the world and there would be a lot of countries in it the size or smaller than Scotland. Not sure what that has to do with anything.