20 minutes with Assem Allam

[The Omega Man]

Sigh. This is my point. You get bollocks like this on Internet forums, but no one in real life actually wants to change the name or thinks it's OK to keep having a go at your customers. I go to games home and away and I know full well what goes on there. I remember WBA and Middlesbrough in particular last year where it was a complete sea of scarves aloft at 19'04". Some people on here seem determined to convince people they've got 50 mates who all love Allam Tigers but at games it doesn't exist. The fanbase isn't united online, but in real life it most definitely is. There's 0 songs about wanting to change the name and 0 opposition to the chanting in protest to the name change. Your claim that the West Upper are all name changers just seems like a lazy stereotype.

Wanting to change the name simply isn't a valid view. In a whole year of discussing it on here we haven't had one coherent argument in favour of it, because there isn't one to be made. There's been plenty of bollocks implying we'll be relegated if we don't change the name, plenty of conspiracy bollocks about the fans wanting to control everything. People who insist on posting this crap for attention deserve any criticism they get for it. It's just Internet bollocks. If you think I'm wrong then start a We Say Yes Allam chant on Thursday and see how far you get.

I know one supporter who wants the name changed if it keeps Assem Allams money in the club, I dont agree with him, but its a fact that he is not alone in that view. I go to games home and away and I don''t see total support for 1904 nor do I see a sea of CTWD scarfs aloft. I sit in the West Stand and there are people who tut when they hear "We say no". This isnt some lazy generalisation it a fact. How many times have you heard a chant or song start in the West Stand Upper?

If you think that the fan base is united, that's cloud cuckoo land, its divided across many fronts. Where did I say that the West stand Upper are all name changers, what I am saying is that they don't all join in. How many actually cared enough to spend £2 on membership of CTWD?

Are you telling me that the move from the east stand has not been the cause of any divide?

I am not a supporter of Assem Allam or his plans for the clubs name, but for heavens sake stop being so blinkered.

 

[CANADATIGER]

He has to. He's been chucked off every other one...

Ahhh...another new poster with a totally bogus comment. That's two in ten minutes. The CTWD disinformation machine must be totally cranking it up to slander any signs of opposition. Its beginning to sound like Radio Moscow on here....or Baghdad Bob perhaps???

 

[Kempton]

Lying...excuse me Peter!!. Did you even read my original post. The whole point of my post was AGAINST CENSORSHIP of the original posters post because he was expressing a pro-Allam thought that is anathema to the CTWD gang on here. As for DISCUSSION...that is exactly what I am for. What I'm against is shutting down discussion by characterizing opposition arguments pro-Allam as invalid etc on the grounds that they are ill-informed, nonsensical, or held by an insignificant minority. Unfortunately that seems to be where we are.

But what should we say when opposition arguments are, ill informed,nonsensical , or are held by an insignificant minority ?

We keep schtum ? We keep our opinions to ourselves ? What the **** do you want from a forum ? Go ahead and start one of your own. One where everybody has exactly the same opinion as yourself. Heaven yes ?

 

[captain caveman]

Sigh. This is my point. You get bollocks like this on Internet forums, but no one in real life actually wants to change the name or thinks it's OK to keep having a go at your customers. I go to games home and away and I know full well what goes on there. I remember WBA and Middlesbrough in particular last year where it was a complete sea of scarves aloft at 19'04". Some people on here seem determined to convince people they've got 50 mates who all love Allam Tigers but at games it doesn't exist. The fanbase isn't united online, but in real life it most definitely is. There's 0 songs about wanting to change the name and 0 opposition to the chanting in protest to the name change. Your claim that the West Upper are all name changers just seems like a lazy stereotype.

Wanting to change the name simply isn't a valid view. In a whole year of discussing it on here we haven't had one coherent argument in favour of it, because there isn't one to be made. There's been plenty of bollocks implying we'll be relegated if we don't change the name, plenty of conspiracy bollocks about the fans wanting to control everything. People who insist on posting this crap for attention deserve any criticism they get for it. It's just Internet bollocks. If you think I'm wrong then start a We Say Yes Allam chant on Thursday and see how far you get.

This city has, until recently, lacked real drive and ambition when it come to promoting itself. Something that is often lamented on these very pages. Dr Allam tried a unique and innovative approach to raising much needed funds to support the continued growth of the club, and has been slammed for it. Sure we get mega millions from being in the premiership, but what is wrong with trying to increase revenue.

Much has been made of him upsetting the 'Core Supporters' of the club, a total of about 15,000 customers (yes, customers) which isn't enough to sustain a premiership club. The idea to create a unique identity within the global Premiership brand could potentially have raised awareness of our club and increased our customer base, and sales, globally. With a higher global awareness, the advertising space on our shirts becomes more valuable, again increasing our income. If it had worked people would be commenting on his genius, much like when a managers tactical substitution works.

I struggle to believe that someone would deliberately attempt to damage something they have invested so much of their own personal fortune into. I know it is in the form of loans, but if he ever wants his money back, he has to raise the clubs income. The popular claim is its to get back at the council, but I have never seen this on an official statement and assume its an easy answer that proved popular.

I do think the handling of the name change has been poorly handled, and perhaps with more transparency and communication it would have been more widely accepted.

This is nothing more than my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong by any supporting facts anyone may have.

 

[The Omega Man]

Agreed. I don't think anybody said he shouldn't say what he thinks. We just disagree with his reasoning.

I would say that the majority of supporters who sat down and spoke with Assem Allam about the club would find him different to the perceived view. As OLM pointed out, he will be fine as long until you say that he is wrong.

But the OP is not wrong in changing his mind, thats life.

 

[Leon...]

I like it when ‘they’ refer to him as Allem.

 

[Fez]

It never fails to surprise me just how stupid the intelligent can be. The OP is drivel and nothing more than a weak pro-Allem post with no credibility, just vacuous nonsense. The rest of the tripe, from further afield and close to home, is equal in it's wonderful stupidity. Anyone who can support a proven and shameless liar deserves to share their glory: at what price glory? More than a few ****ers on here.

 

[TonyNormansGloves]

Ahhh...another new poster with a totally bogus comment. That's two in ten minutes. The CTWD disinformation machine must be totally cranking it up to slander any signs of opposition. Its beginning to sound like Radio Moscow on here....or Baghdad Bob perhaps???

You make a lot of assumptions.

1. Just because I have chosen not to post doesn't mean I haven't been around.

2. Who said I am part of/ supporter of CTWD?

 

[DMD]

Because it might give me some perspective on how he arrived at that extraordinary conclusion. My answer is that my" UNIQUE view of censorship and debate" is that I'm totally against the former and for the latter. Is that unique? I would be much happier if CTWD subscribed to the same philosophy.

Just to clarify, I guess you're not trying to claim posts are edited or removed, but you're saying you feel 'censorship' is more the ad hominem type replies?

 

[TonyNormansGloves]

Ahhh...another new poster with a totally bogus comment. That's two in ten minutes. The CTWD disinformation machine must be totally cranking it up to slander any signs of opposition. Its beginning to sound like Radio Moscow on here....or Baghdad Bob perhaps???

BTW I've never spoken to you, so I think you mean libel, not slander.

 

[Leon...]

It never fails to surprise me just how stupid the intelligent can be. The OP is drivel and nothing more than a weak pro-Allem post with no credibility, just vacuous nonsense. The rest of the tripe, from further afield and close to home, is equal in it's wonderful stupidity. Anyone who can support a proven and shameless liar deserves to share their glory: at what price glory? More than a few w**kers on here.

This was how it appeared to me.

But as it’s been submitted to this forum, it is, apparently, an honest account.

 

[The Omega Man]

This city has, until recently, lacked real drive and ambition when it come to promoting itself. Something that is often lamented on these very pages. Dr Allam tried a unique and innovative approach to raising much needed funds to support the continued growth of the club, and has been slammed for it. Sure we get mega millions from being in the premiership, but what is wrong with trying to increase revenue.

Much has been made of him upsetting the 'Core Supporters' of the club, a total of about 15,000 customers (yes, customers) which isn't enough to sustain a premiership club. The idea to create a unique identity within the global Premiership brand could potentially have raised awareness of our club and increased our customer base, and sales, globally. With a higher global awareness, the advertising space on our shirts becomes more valuable, again increasing our income. If it had worked people would be commenting on his genius, much like when a managers tactical substitution works.

I struggle to believe that someone would deliberately attempt to damage something they have invested so much of their own personal fortune into. I know it is in the form of loans, but if he ever wants his money back, he has to raise the clubs income. The popular claim is its to get back at the council, but I have never seen this on an official statement and assume its an easy answer that proved popular.

I do think the handling of the name change has been poorly handled, and perhaps with more transparency and communication it would have been more widely accepted.

This is nothing more than my opinion and I am happy to be proved wrong by any supporting facts anyone may have.

CC, it is my firm belief that the relationship with the Hull City Council is at the centre of the name change issue. Whilst there may not be any official statement, the truth is that Assem Allam will not have any dealings publicly with HCC.

 

[Stuart Blampey]

I like it when ‘they’ refer to him as Allem.

And 'Dr'

 

[Spook]

Ahhh...another new poster with a totally bogus comment. That's two in ten minutes. The CTWD disinformation machine must be totally cranking it up to slander any signs of opposition. Its beginning to sound like Radio Moscow on here....or Baghdad Bob perhaps???

Allam is the equivalent of Fox News then. Actually, he just resembles the USA completely with regards to blatant lies.

 

[Stuart Blampey]

Going back on train to Bratislava on Friday, some sweaty Slovak type had 'Pravda' as his reading matter.

 

[Willson]

He's a Hull City (Hull Tigers?) fanatic and a more passionate supporter than most. He wants to make changes not because he can but because he loves the club and wants to see it take off.

Do you really think he would be following the club if he didn't own it? Would he be watching us on a horrible Tuesday night away at Leyton Orient, and stand in the rain to see his beloved Hull City? He is not a passionate supporter he is an owner, and just like any owner he wants his property to be successful. He wants to build a legacy and be loved for how he helps the city, but is in no way a die-hard football fan.

 

[CANADATIGER]

Just to clarify, I guess you're not trying to claim posts are edited or removed, but you're saying you feel 'censorship' is more the ad hominem type replies?

Exactly. Ad hominem attacks on posters who disagree (I've had two on here in the past hour) are hardly the best way to have a debate.

 

[DMD]

Exactly. Ad hominem attacks on posters who disagree (I've had two on here in the past hour) are hardly the best way to have a debate.

So, just so I'm clear. That sort of thing is what you see as 'censorship' and you believe 'censorship' to be wrong?

 

[CANADATIGER]

Allam is the equivalent of Fox News then. Actually, he just resembles the USA completely with regards to blatant lies.

I agree with you that the Obama Administration has become notorious for its lies and cover ups on the IRS scandal, Benghazi, Fast and Furious gun running operation, and most of all the Obamacare promises which have been exposed as a total deception. But you've got the network wrong. Its the far left MSNBC network, not Fox, which has been Obama's mouthpiece to promulgate these blatant lies which even the mainstream media are now exposing. The latest polls show that Obama's popularity is now the lowest of any post-war US President.

 

[South West 'Ulltra]

I want more days like Wembley and Trencin away. Not proudly saying we kept our name with 35 others on a cold, wet Friday night in Swansea being beaten 2-0.

As one of about 45 who visited The Vetch Field (Swansea) at the age of 7 in Division 3 in '99, when the game was almost flooded off and Gary Brabin became a human log-flume, I'm annoyed with this. The days like Wembley and Trencin are incredible - but visiting places like Carlisle, Shrewsbury and Notts County will always be fond - as I spent them supporting Hull City. Didn't see Mr Allam stumping up his cash then - we were virtually bloody potless!

Plus I thought Cyril the Swan would attack me - that guy is a psycho!