Leonardo Ulloa signs

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Hes going to stay there even if he says he wants out, i can't see us bidding over £7m, we've made our offer and Brighton blew it.
 
I think he´d be good. 27 is a good age for a FOR, get him in. Good for both parties by the sound of it. ... 23 in 50 ummmm!
 
If Pearson and his team want to spend £7.5m on a player, he must be the next Messi!

Should be better business than Dwight Gayle and McCormack in recent times <ok>
 
LeicesterWizard said:
If Pearson and his team want to spend £7.5m on a player, he must be the next Messi!

Should be better business than Dwight Gayle and McCormack in recent times <ok>
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Dwight Gayle actually put in a few good performances at the tail end of last season...

Could just be a flash in the pan, mind.
 
Jack Lesterfan said:
Dwight Gayle actually put in a few good performances at the tail end of last season...

Could just be a flash in the pan, mind.
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Like Whickham, which is why i'd much pref Ulloa, who has seemed fairly consistent over the last 12 months.

SSN saying £6m ... maybe Ulloa has stated his intent on leaving for us to bid lower than the £7m that we had supposedly offered before?
It could of course be £6m plus add ons...
 
THE FOXES 1884 said:
God I read this post wrong at 1st. For some reason I though it was going to end "...as part of the deal" & not "new contract" :emoticon-0107-sweat
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I did the same thing! Probably because I don't expect to see Vardy's name in the same sentence!

Meanwhile, this Ulloa thing is madness. I hope SNN is right and it's not £7.5m... although I still wouldn't pay £6m.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
I did the same thing! Probably because I don't expect to see Vardy's name in the same sentence!

Meanwhile, this Ulloa thing is madness. I hope SNN is right and it's not £7.5m... although I still wouldn't pay £6m.
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I think we have to wake up and smell the coffee ... compared to £11m for McCormack and £9m for Jordan Rhodes... £7.5m for a guy with Ulloa's scoring record (and I mean who he has scored against not just his tally - and he doesn't take pens!) is peanuts for a Prem club ... and that's what we are now ... he's roughly the same age as Adam Lallana who has just gone for over 3 times that price ... believe me if he has a good season in the Prem his value will more than double ...

Wilfred Bony cost £10 million and Swansea do not have our fan base or our income generation capabilities - didn't start off too brightly but his goals have kept the Swans up ...Ulloa is a better player in my opinion ... both are excellent in the air but Ulloa has a far better touch and also looks quicker ... we need to rid ourselves of our "ooh Mavis that seems like a lot of money" mentality... otherwise we will never be anything more than a Championship club worried about life in the big pool ... we earned our right to dine at this table but we need to start ordering of the a la carte menu rather than confining our dining to the 'early bird' value menu <laugh>
 
FosseFilberto said:
I think we have to wake up and smell the coffee ... compared to £11m for McCormack and £9m for Jordan Rhodes... £7.5m for a guy with Ulloa's scoring record (and I mean who he has scored against not just his tally - and he doesn't take pens!) is peanuts for a Prem club ... and that's what we are now ... he's roughly the same age as Adam Lallana who has just gone for over 3 times that price ... believe me if he has a good season in the Prem his value will more than double ...

Wilfred Bony cost £10 million and Swansea do not have our fan base or our income generation capabilities - didn't start off too brightly but his goals have kept the Swans up ...Ulloa is a better player in my opinion ... both are excellent in the air but Ulloa has a far better touch and also looks quicker ... we need to rid ourselves of our "ooh Mavis that seems like a lot of money" mentality... otherwise we will never be anything more than a Championship club worried about life in the big pool ... we earned our right to dine at this table but we need to start ordering of the a la carte menu rather than confining our dining to the 'early bird' value menu <laugh>
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I think you're missing the point. I have no problem with spending big on proven players, which Ulloa isn't. We can't say on one hand Nugent isn't good enough when he was a crucial part of a championship winning side and then spending £7.5m on a player who didn't even make the second tier top 10 scorers list. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind taking a punt on him... but for the right price. Brighton only paid £2m for him, have his performances really justified a near quadrupling of this figure? And if Brighton can go off and find a player like Ulloa for £2m, I'm sure, with our much talked about scouting network, so can we without paying through the nose for another club to do the groundwork.

And please don't compare it to signings like McCormack and Rhodes. Those signings were/are desperate attempts by owners of clubs that have had long Prem stays to prove to the fans that they are willing to invest to get promoted once again. It didn't pay off for Blackburn, it probably won't for Fulham. You need more than one good player surrounded by ten muppets, as Brazil have found out.

I've been impressed with Bony for club and country. I've not seen anything from Ulloa to suggest he's a better player, but it's all about opinions.
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
I think you're missing the point. I have no problem with spending big on proven players, which Ulloa isn't. We can't say on one hand Nugent isn't good enough when he was a crucial part of a championship winning side and then spending £7.5m on a player who didn't even make the second tier top 10 scorers list. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind taking a punt on him... but for the right price. Brighton only paid £2m for him, have his performances really justified a near quadrupling of this figure? And if Brighton can go off and find a player like Ulloa for £2m, I'm sure, with our much talked about scouting network, so can we without paying through the nose for another club to do the groundwork.

And please don't compare it to signings like McCormack and Rhodes. Those signings were/are desperate attempts by owners of clubs that have had long Prem stays to prove to the fans that they are willing to invest to get promoted once again. It didn't pay-off for Blackburn, it probably won't for Fulham. You need more than one good player surrounded by ten muppets, as Brazil have found out.

I've been impressed with Bony for club and country. I've not seen anything from Ulloa to suggest he's a better player, but it's all about opinions.
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Well worded and reasoned Gangsta ... my own view is that Ulloa is quality and just what we will need - Ulloa's scoring ratio is from open play and with that in mind far more impressive than Nuge to be fair ... in terms of the quadrupling of price I tend to look at players like Michu - no arguing that he is worth four or five times what Swansea paid (one of the bargains of the decade) ... I'm there to be shot down but I do believe that Ulloa (if staying injury free) will be the same ... i.e a relative bargain because his value after a good Prem season will double at least ...
 
FosseFilberto said:
Well worded and reasoned Gangsta ... my own view is that Ulloa is quality and just what we will need - Ulloa's scoring ratio is from open play and with that in mind far more impressive than Nuge to be fair ... in terms of the quadrupling of price I tend to look at players like Michu - no arguing that he is worth four or five times what Swansea paid (one of the bargains of the decade) ... I'm there to be shot down but I do believe that Ulloa (if staying injury free) will be the same ... i.e a relative bargain because his value after a good Prem season will double at least ...
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Looking at goals alone, Ulloa could look more impressive than Nugent. But Nugent offers a lot more than just finishing, and he has proven yet again that he is certainly good enough to be a key part of a promotion winning side and deserves another crack at the Prem. Ulloa hasn't proven anything, and at 27 the clock is ticking, but his performances do make you wonder if he can make the step up... but at £7.5m, it would be a massive gamble. Anyway, the comparison is pretty pointless because I'm sure neither of us would want the club to pay £7.5m for Nugent if he was elsewhere!

Michu had played for a string of decent sides (top flight/high in second tier - ie Swansea's level) before signing for the Swans, so it wasn't that big a gamble. He also only cost £2m and has proven that he is actually better than even Swansea were hoping, hence the big club interest and the rise in value (which is probably more like ten-fold that quadruple). Ulloa's never played in the top flight anywhere nor at international level, so the quadrupling of price is unjustified, and there's no way his value of £7.5m will quadruple again in the Prem, which is what I think you're implying in your last post.

Let's remember, transfer fee are supposed to compensate a club to allow them to replace a player. Would Brighton pay nearly £8m to replace Ulloa? Of course not, so the price tag is more of a "hands-off" price. I always worry when a club meets a hands-off evaluation. Reeks of desperation.
 
I like what I've seen of him and he'd be a solid signing for you. He might not be a 15 goals man but he'll lead the line well.

Welcome to the world of over-paying.
 
Thanks BFT. A manager will always be judged by results. If NP feels that Ulloa is the right man for us in the Prem, then so be it. If it doesnt work, then NP may have to face the consequences. Personally, the 3 signings made so far, I am impressed with. Upson with Prem experience, Albrighton has always impressed me at Villa, and at last a good second keeper in Hamer. The fee for a footballer will always be decided by supply and demand. Brighton dont particularly want to sell him, NP wants to buy him. If he slots into our team and scores goals to keep us up, whatever the price will be money well spent. If he doesnt then enough people will be around to criticise. Hope we get him, and hope he does well - but it is always a gamble bringing in a new player to a club - NP obviously sees in him a fit for us.
 
Bid rejected again

@RobTannerMerc: Ulloa bid has been rejected for a fourth time. Always after deadline. Damn!


We should now move onto another target. We don't want another Nicky Maynard scenario but I'm sure Nigel wouldn't allow that
 
Lesta Gangsta said:
Looking at goals alone, Ulloa could look more impressive than Nugent. But Nugent offers a lot more than just finishing, and he has proven yet again that he is certainly good enough to be a key part of a promotion winning side and deserves another crack at the Prem. Ulloa hasn't proven anything, and at 27 the clock is ticking, but his performances do make you wonder if he can make the step up... but at £7.5m, it would be a massive gamble. Anyway, the comparison is pretty pointless because I'm sure neither of us would want the club to pay £7.5m for Nugent if he was elsewhere!

Michu had played for a string of decent sides (top flight/high in second tier - ie Swansea's level) before signing for the Swans, so it wasn't that big a gamble. He also only cost £2m and has proven that he is actually better than even Swansea were hoping, hence the big club interest and the rise in value (which is probably more like ten-fold that quadruple). Ulloa's never played in the top flight anywhere nor at international level, so the quadrupling of price is unjustified, and there's no way his value of £7.5m will quadruple again in the Prem, which is what I think you're implying in your last post.

Let's remember, transfer fee are supposed to compensate a club to allow them to replace a player. Would Brighton pay nearly £8m to replace Ulloa? Of course not, so the price tag is more of a "hands-off" price. I always worry when a club meets a hands-off evaluation. Reeks of desperation.
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The reason he would be so expensive is because to Brighton he is worth far more than he would be to your club. He's been the main source of goals for 2 years and the only recognised CF that has been fit and on form for those 2 seasons. His goals & general hold up play are the only reason they were pushing for play offs in the last 2 years.

Would Brighton pay £8m to replace him? Yes... not necessarily on one player, but maybe 2 or 3. The chance of finding a player like him who can come in and make a contribution in the same way he did and be so vital to their general play for £2m is very slim. Can be done, but chances are they'd need 2 or 3 players to come in and share that workload and goal between them.

It would be interesting to see how he copes in the Prem. He has the physical presence and finishing ability, but he does lack that bit of pace which sometimes makes players struggle. He's quite similar to Glen Murray, who he sort of replaced, unfortunately with his injury couldn't see how he coped with the Prem after lighting up the Championship though.

After losing some big players in the last couple of years, Brighton will be very reluctant to lose him. I'd feel you'd have to get up towards £8m for it to even be considered. The chairman is a shrewd businessman and certainly wont let him go on the cheap.
 
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