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Scotch Independence - the countdown

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by stopmeandslapme, Feb 5, 2014.

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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  1. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...h-independence-1.1814235#.U4hTwR6rdMc.twitter

    :smiley:
     
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  2. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    nice story bro
     
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  3. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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  4. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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  5. stopmeandslapme

    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    Reading the comments, top of the pile (when I looked), although it's not very well written it pretty much sums up my experience of going in some shops in scotchland:
     
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  6. Mick

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    Black propaganda. Jog on Billy.
     
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  7. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27655214

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    Scotland should embrace a shorter working week, higher wages, an expanded welfare state and higher taxes, according to a new blueprint.

    The 180-page booklet, produced by the left-wing Common Weal project, recommends a rejection of "extreme market economics".

    Many of the ideas included in the work rely on Scotland voting for independence in September's referendum.

    But the authors say some of the agenda could be delivered under devolution.

    Packaged as a simplified version of 50 detailed papers written by academics from around the world, the book, published by the Jimmy Reid Foundation, advocates "practical realism" and includes policies borrowed from Germany and Scandinavia.

    The authors say although the work is not "neutral" in terms of the independence debate, it is presented as a "model of Scotland's future irrespective of the outcome of the referendum".
    Among the main recommendations are:

    • a high-skill, high-wage economy and a 30-hour working week
    • An expanded welfare state with universal public services and an expansion in affordable housing
    • A minimum income for all
    • Raising the 40p income tax rate to 50p, and the 45p rate for those earning more than £150,000 to 60p
    • Higher taxes on land, industry, retailers and whisky production
    • A new £5bn national investment bank to create £100bn in industry investment over 20 years
    Robin McAlpine, director of the Jimmy Reid Foundation, told BBC Scotland the aim of the Common Weal project was about "seeing that there is a different way to run your politics".

    He said: "The conflict model which has dominated UK politics has worked badly for Scotland; it has created inequality, poverty and economic underperformance.

    "We have to invest to grow the economy and to change the nature of the economy."

    He added: "For 35 years we've been told there is no alternative to the free-market politics of Thatcher, Blair and Cameron.

    "For five years we've been told that no-one really knows how to reduce inequality in Scotland and make us more Nordic. And for the last year we've been told that no-one really knows what to do with the powers of independence, so why bother.

    "Nobody can say these things anymore. There are an awful lot of people out there who hope this marks a turning point in Scotland's modern history."

    The referendum takes place on 18 September, with voters being asked the Yes/No question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

    Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon welcomed the publication of the paper.

    She said: "As the Common Weal publication makes clear, Scotland is ready for change and independence is the only way to secure a better future for the people of Scotland.

    "With the full set of economic and fiscal levers, independence would unlock Scotland's full potential as a vibrant and dynamic economy and a fairer society.

    "We welcome the contributions that Common Weal and other independent organisations are making to the dynamic and positive debate that is encouraging people in Scotland to consider a better future."

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    Economic policy from 1920's Russia, welcome to Jockland.

    You work less hours and for more money.

    Seems logical.... <laugh>
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    I'm struggling to see a downside here.
     
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  9. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    There is no downside :confused:
     
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  10. The Raging Oxter

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    Old Bazza is like one of the old mill factory owners from the 1860s. His idea of economic progress is 16 hour days for tuppence halfpenny a week.
     
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  11. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    Not at all, Julian.

    I'm a realist, and economic policy like that is pie in the sky stuff.

    Work less - great idea
    Paid more - brilliant
    Better public service - why not

    How do we pay for that? Well, we'll tax businesses and the rich.

    They'll just head down the M74/A1 to Nigelshire? That's just scaremongering, FFS!!!
     
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  13. Mick

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  14. stopmeandslapme

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    Maggie was so fond of scotchland that she scrapped the unfair rates tax there a year before it was scrapped in England and Wales, were they grateful?
     
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  15. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    Can't really argue with that. The same could be said about the Scots and the generosity shown back to Nigel.

    Supposedly, that's what "Unions" are all about.

    Sad to see the Yes campaign degenerating the 'debate' even further by playing the xenophobic card, pitting Nigel vs Jock... Guess they've forgotten that 300,000 Nigels live in Jockshire and are eligible to vote.
     
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  16. Archers Road

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    I've just noticed your location. I take it you're not eligible to vote?
     
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  17. The Raging Oxter

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    What's this?
     
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  18. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    Do you want to see my penis?
     
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  19. The Anilingus Aficionado

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    A sentence?
     
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  20. Archers Road

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    That shrivelled little carrot?
     
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