Pochettino means ...
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Until Pulis takes over the England job when Woy ****s up in Brazil. He will be a good international manager, no problem with ego's there
Good - Plan B is over-rated. What you actually need is a good Plan APochettino means ...
.......Plan B is so secret, I'll be gone before you've worked it out!
I agree, the sort of plan that saves a club from relegation and wins premier league manager of the year. That was a great plan A!
But this high pressing game needs a plan B, out of all the systems in the game its the one which needs a plan B as its the hardest to implement as I can foresee the same issues we had with Avb, in the sense we will struggle to break teams down and our fans will be moaning why we look clueless as the other team sits back. If its simply press high and then nothing else, then be prepared to be let-down. Good managers adapt their ways from job to job so we are going to find out if Pochettino is the type to adapt, or if he just reverts back to one style.
What we need, is a manager who is smart enough to know when it isn't working and can adapt to draw the opposition out, rather then just sit there gloomy faced and hands in the air as the opposition keep us out.
I foresee the same issues as AVB too, if we are to play the same personnel as we did under his tenure.
4231 can work against anyone, but you've got to have the right players for it.
GK: - quick off his line and able to act as a sweeper.
CB's: - decent pace and agility and able to recover quickly, should the opposition manage to break into our 3rd of the pitch.
FB's: again, they need to be fast, but also have the attributes of a winger. Need to be able to cross the ball and beat a player.
DM and deep CM: DM - solid positioning, awareness, and able to pre-empt. Ideally need to be able to play the ball out and start an attack.
Deep CM: able to pick a pass, see spaces on the pitch and just generally be the person who turns defence to attack.
wingers - Fast, quick feet, agile and have goals in them and can make the right decision based on the support they have coming from defensive positions or in central areas.
CAM - creativity in the final 3rd, can shoot, and can support the striker.
ST - Can hold the ball up. Be a target man, provide the wingers with opportunities from runs, and just generally score some goals!
Lloris is fine at GK.
Verts and chiriches are fine for CB
Walker is fine for FB (and even Rose has most of the attributes for a FB, but somehow he's very poor.)
DM and Deep CM - Sandro and Capoue are absolutely fine. Deep CM needs to be signed. We've got no one who can start the play like Modric used to.
Wingers - Lamela (if we ever see what he's shown at Roma) is perfect for it. No one else, from what i've seen, is right for this role. Need to strengthen here.
CAM - Eriksen and Holtby
Strikers - Probably just Adebayor at the moment. - And sometimes he's great at playing up front by himself, other times he looks like he's never done it in his life.
This has been my issue for ages and why i never really got on AVB's back for us being boring.
If you look at chelsea with Willian, Shurrle, Oscar, Hazard etc (who I know we can't afford). But it's the TYPE of player they have for the attacking mid/winger positions. - Skillful, agile, good with the ball, can run at players, good final product etc etc. - we've hardly anyone like that, and it applies in several areas of the pitch. It's not that we don't have some good players, it's just that many of them lack the attributes required to be successful in that formation.
Chelsea's way of playing is interesting as Mourinho sacrificed Mata for Oscar and since Mata left, Oscar's form dropped off so they had a CAM who just worked harder, closed down but was useless with the ball (because of his form) and there aren't many players who can close down (and be creative) in that role behind the striker, plus Levy made a big thing of us playing "the spurs way". High pressing game isn't the spurs way, the spurs way is about playing open attractive football, stretching teams and scoring beautiful goals.
If we're going to play a high pressing game then really there needs a squad overhaul (again) because as we saw under Avb, it doesn't work and to Avb's credit he did know how to use the system, its just as we know he tried it with the wrong players. Will Pochettino be any different as he had all the key players at saints when he arrived and most of his signings where flops.
Eh? One signing didn't work because he was mental. Wanyama has been good (and until injury was part of the second meanest defensive unit in Europe) and Lovren has been sensational. So, without putting too fine a point on it, your assertion there is bollocks.
For what it's worth, I think you've played something of a masterstroke here and landed yourself someone who will fit very well for you. You'll struggle to find a single Saints fan that wanted him to leave, which should tell you something.
Cheers for that pal. Wanyama is average, I watched him in Scotland and seen him over here and yes he was average. Osvaldo was a ridiculous signing, one which Pochettino couldn't handle and isn't suited to the type of football saints play, not to mention he is prone to doing something stupid. Lovren was a good buy, but that wasn't all down to Pochettino, but I'll give him a little credit for that signing.
Managing saints is different to managing a bigger club like us so hearing that your fans didn't want to lose him won't mean anything to us.
So you agree, he made one bad signing then....
Wanyama has a lot of very positive qualities and makes us a lot more defensively solid when he plays. Check the results.
Clearly there's not much point debating things with you, but you've got yourself a good manager here. In most instances that would make people happy....
No, because only you believe Wanyama was a good signing.
He hasn't proven himself as a good manager, he is 42 and could be out of his depth, so lets see what he does before we start calling him great, or fantastic.
You're getting the AVB you thought you were getting first time around, rather than the one you got.
Just an opinion, but having seen the impact he made on Saints, and the way he had us playing, it's a vaguely educated one.
Just an opinion, but having seen the impact he made on Saints, and the way he had us playing, it's a vaguely educated one.
You're basing your opinion on a manager who has managed your team and done a decent job, of course you're going to speak highly of him. We spoke Highly of Martin Jol but he was crap at Fulham. I don't blame you for speaking highly of him but I'm getting tired of hearing people say he is "proven" "great manager" "the next great manager". He is unproven and still has a long way to go before he could be called great.
I hope you're right. AVB part Deux, and the fans won't take it.
39% of our fans are unhappy (bbc poll) with this appointment, which is massive when you consider that Poch hasn't really got anything about him which people should be unhappy about. Yes, there's lots of unknowns with him, but to be unhappy is a sign of how fragile our fans are at the moment.
I agree with many of boss' comments, as like me, I think he's just feeling like we may well see the same mistake again.
As i've said before, Poch plays good football and apparently the players like him.
But we're going to be playing european football next season which he's inexperienced in, and he's got more games in which to juggle the squad. Like i said above, it's the unknowns that make this appointment risky, no matter how much he was adored by his former club and the fans.
This is why many fans wanted a proven manager with a track record and whose won trophies.
Hopefully we can be the first club Poch can do that with.