Will Pochettino stay or go?

[pass the football]

Rogers was the money man under Cortese (who people have again forgotten had no football knowledge either). That seems like pretty good experience to me, and he must have been well-qualified in the first place for Cortese (a money man himself) to entrust him with that role.

All this speculation is pretty daft really. Cortese aside, the board, and the staff underneath them, is hardly any different to what it was before. If Liebherr and Krueger were really running this club into the ground, do you think Reed and Rogers would have stayed? The only thing we can do is wait and see how they handle this situation.

 

[Archers Road]

No one with any real business knowledge would ever get involved with a football club for purely business reasons. There is always another motivation, be it vanity, passion, ambition or love of the game. I have no idea what frau liebher's motives are, but if it was purely business she'd have sold by now. There are few riskier investmens than a football club, so something else is driving her. I have no idea what at this point, & I doubt the so called itks do either. So we wait and see.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

When MP finally gets out of the door, the board need to come out and make a strong statement. We need a touch of the Churchills rather than a Tony Blair...less grey more colour. Kreuger write your speech, then edit by 75%.

 

[pass the football]

No one with any real business knowledge would ever get involved with a football club for purely business reasons. There is always another motivation, be it vanity, passion, ambition or love of the game. I have no idea what frau liebher's motives are, but if it was purely business she'd have sold by now. There are few riskier investmens than a football club, so something else is driving her. I have no idea what at this point, & I doubt the so called itks do either. So we wait and see.

Call me naive, but couldn't it just be that it was her father's baby and she has been drawn into the club's warm embrace as well? She certainly takes more of an active interest than most owners, why would she attend all the games and the awards evening if she didn't care?

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

No one with any real business knowledge would ever get involved with a football club for purely business reasons. There is always another motivation, be it vanity, passion, ambition or love of the game. I have no idea what frau liebher's motives are, but if it was purely business she'd have sold by now. There are few riskier investmens than a football club, so something else is driving her. I have no idea what at this point, & I doubt the so called itks do either. So we wait and see.

I think she has been very busy with sorting out her father's estate and her family. Saints were doing well under Nicola so was not a priority, though some doubt about Nicola's stewardship was beginning to creep in last year. Serious money was being spent and loans were being taken out. She steps in (as we all would with an asset this size). According to Ralph and the evidence of our own eyes, she has discovered that she likes being involved in a football club more than she thought she would. So far, so good...now we have to wait and see.

 

[Archers Road]

Call me naive, but couldn't it just be that it was her father's baby and she has been drawn into the club's warm embrace as well? She certainly takes more of an active interest than most owners, why would she attend all the games and the awards evening if she didn't care?

I hope you're right. As I say, I really don't know, but at this point your scenario makes as much sense as any other.

 

[Joe!]

Rogers was the money man under Cortese (who people have again forgotten had no football knowledge either). That seems like pretty good experience to me, and he must have been well-qualified in the first place for Cortese (a money man himself) to entrust him with that role.

All this speculation is pretty daft really. Cortese aside, the board, and the staff underneath them, is hardly any different to what it was before. If Liebherr and Krueger were really running this club into the ground, do you think Reed and Rogers would have stayed? The only thing we can do is wait and see how they handle this situation.

Ten years in sports business practice at various banks, and he's Italian. I bet he knows a fair bit.

There has been absolutely no suggestion that they're running the club into the ground; just that they're not going to be as invested in the club's success as someone like Markus, or plenty of other potential buyers who would basically be doing it for a hobby.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I think she has been very busy with sorting out her father's estate and her family. Saints were doing well under Nicola so was not a priority, though some doubt about Nicola's stewardship was beginning to creep in last year. Serious money was being spent and loans were being taken out. She steps in (as we all would with an asset this size). According to Ralph and the evidence of our own eyes, she has discovered that she likes being involved in a football club more than she thought she would. So far, so good...now we have to wait and see.

Think you're right in that evaluation Fran. That's gut feel though, as I struggle to be convinced by anything Ralph says at this stage.

The disdain toward Pochettino on this thread is mind-boggling too. People calling him a deserter (without knowing the facts), then providing a list of managers they'd like who'd be.......deserters from their respective clubs. But that's okay because they're coming to Saints!?!

 

[Dan]

Rogers was the money man under Cortese (who people have again forgotten had no football knowledge either). That seems like pretty good experience to me, and he must have been well-qualified in the first place for Cortese (a money man himself) to entrust him with that role.

All this speculation is pretty daft really. Cortese aside, the board, and the staff underneath them, is hardly any different to what it was before. If Liebherr and Krueger were really running this club into the ground, do you think Reed and Rogers would have stayed? The only thing we can do is wait and see how they handle this situation.

Of course they'd have stayed, they're in incredibly well-paying jobs, who would throw that away? They are still humans. And yeah obviously the speculation is daft, as all speculation is, but we might as well discuss their direction, given that at the moment there's more reason to be concerned than excited.

 

[pass the football]

There has been absolutely no suggestion that they're running the club into the ground; just that they're not going to be as invested in the club's success as someone like Markus, or plenty of other potential buyers who would basically be doing it for a hobby.

Not from you perhaps.

Of course they'd have stayed, they're in incredibly well-paying jobs, who would throw that away? They are still humans. And yeah obviously the speculation is daft, as all speculation is, but we might as well discuss their direction, given that at the moment there's more reason to be concerned than excited.

That applies to Rogers maybe, but with Reed's CV (and his achievements at Southampton), he could walk into a similar job anywhere in Europe. Why would he tarnish his reputation by involving himself in our imminent collapse?

 

[PO10Saint]

It is a bit. Les Reed and Gareth Rogers come closest to the description, but Reed isn't exactly qualified in business and I know nothing about Rogers. For the people on the business side, the football knowledge seems pretty limited. Krueger and Hofstetter know very little about the game, and they're here to assist Katharina - another person who knows nothing about football - achieve her goals. We've got football knowledge and business knowledge on the board, but I wouldn't say there's any one person who has a lot of both. Sure, you can say that those who don't know football can consult those who do and we're all good, but we've got three people at the top (Liebherr, Krueger, Hofstetter) who have a business plan, and there is no invested emotional interest in football factored into it.

Having this emotional interest in setting the business plan is what Leeds had! Things start to spiral downward when the heart rules the head in the setting of the plan.

 

[StJabbo]

I don't know if it's time for a "who's next" thread before MP has gone but as sitting here in Jakarta nervous scanning sites for news I noticed a Guardian article saying Paul Clement was ready for a number 1 job.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Not from you perhaps.



That applies to Rogers maybe, but with Reed's CV (and his achievements at Southampton), he could walk into a similar job anywhere in Europe. Why would he tarnish his reputation by involving himself in our imminent collapse?

Who's suggesting they're going to run it in the ground? There may have been people, but I'm not going to trawl all the way back through to find one example.

I think that's hugely unlikely - it would seem we're looking at a lower middle, self sustaining model moving forward. Not exactly thrilling, and you can see why Mauricio and star players are (likely) going. With the wrong manager we may flirt with relegation too, but I don't see this at all as some kind of major asset stripping exercise.

 

[Joe!]

Having this emotional interest in setting the business plan is what Leeds had! Things start to spiral downward when the heart rules the head in the setting of the plan.

And what Markus had.

 

[Dan]

That applies to Rogers maybe, but with Reed's CV (and his achievements at Southampton), he could walk into a similar job anywhere in Europe. Why would he tarnish his reputation by involving himself in our imminent collapse?

Who knows, that involves even more speculation. Possibly because it looks bad if he jumps ship before things start going down hill (one bad season with mitigating factors such as players being sold from under him won't damage his CV too badly), or because he feels like he can keep the club at the same level even without significant investment. Of course, this is all moot if we hire another manager of equally high quality, and the Lallana and Shaw money is added onto an already substantial budget - it may be unlikely, but we'll see.

 

[PO10Saint]

And what Markus had.

Really! You don't think him and Cortese had a clear plan for picking a club up on the cheap and investing a relatively small amount of capital in it to turn it into a club worth several hundred million in the Premier League? Or was it simply that he loved SFC?

 

[timatoketchup]

I don't know if it's time for a "who's next" thread before MP has gone but as sitting here in Jakarta nervous scanning sites for news I noticed a Guardian article saying Paul Clement was ready for a number 1 job.

He said on talksport yesterday he was happy where he was. Matteo would be my choice.

 

[Sotonist]

Really! You don't think him and Cortese had a clear plan for picking a club up on the cheap and investing a relatively small amount of capital in it to turn it into a club worth several hundred million in the Premier League? Or was it simply that he loved SFC?

markus was not demonstrably a profit driven businessman.

he looked ill (jaundice) from the first moment we saw him. i would bet that he knew he didn't have many miles left on the clock and was determined to follow his passions (and show off a little)

 

[pass the football]

Who knows, that involves even more speculation. Possibly because it looks bad if he jumps ship before things start going down hill (one bad season with mitigating factors such as players being sold from under him won't damage his CV too badly), or because he feels like he can keep the club at the same level even without significant investment. Of course, this is all moot if we hire another manager of equally high quality, and the Lallana and Shaw money is added onto an already substantial budget - it may be unlikely, but we'll see.

Well it was rhetorical question, though your last two words say it all, for me.

 

[Libby]

Is this thread not getting part II'd?