British soldiers murdered a lot of innocent people that year - your Prime Minister had to apologise for it. It's fair to say it was a bit of a charged situation.
Gerry Adams arrested
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British soldiers murdered a lot of innocent people that year - your Prime Minister had to apologise for it. It's fair to say it was a bit of a charged situation.
rogueleader
suave gringo
No ones saying it wasnt. Doesnt change the fact that a group of" men" took a mother of ten kids from her home, shot her in the back of the head and dumped her body in a hole in a beach. Who is going to be man enough to put their hand up for that ?
Yes, the PM apologised after admitting that crimes were committed, the IRA on the other hand never admit fault, especially in cases such as this.
She was a "Tout", and Captain Nairac was a sexual predator, any excuse to justify cold blooded callous murder, it's always the victims's fault where the IRA are involved.
“There is no evidence information or intelligence of any kind which refers to or emanated from Mrs Jean McConville prior to 2 January 1973. She is not recorded as having been an agent at any time. She was an innocent woman who was abducted and murdered. ”
Nuala O’Loan
Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
18 July 2006
"Jean was in the bath when the gang came. Four women and eight men pushed past the children and forced her to get out, put her clothes on and leave with them. All were masked except one young woman. She was a member of the local republican family Jean had fallen out with. One of the gang had a gun. Archie, who was 16, said he was going with his mother, but the gang dragged her down to a waiting van and told him to **** off. By the time Helen returned, panicking when she saw all the people out on their balconies, her mother had gone".
It could take some time if we're going to go through the list of every victim of the troubles and ask who is going to put their hand up for each one.
rogueleader
suave gringo
And the myriad other heartbreaking, abhorrent, unsolved cases of religious murder and hate which were committed by both sides for 30 years (and on one side actually involved government collusion), why aren't we demanding admissions of guilt by people "man enough" to take responsibility?
No one here gave a toss before Gerry Adams was asked to go in for questioning.
A lot of evil things have been justified by states when threatened with an 'existential crisis' - after conscripting teenagers in the world wars the British state shot some of them for deserting when shell shocked. Norway put Vidkun Quisling to death for collaborating with the Nazis. America felt it necessary to kill several hundred thousand innocent people with two Nuclear bombs - Britain felt it necessary to kill over 100,000 people in Dresden at the end of the WWII despite having little strategic reason to do so.
I'm sure if we looked into these state sanctioned killings many of them would be as tragic as McConville's individual case. With hindsight we all look back and question the barbarity of it - and yes the individual case of McConville's killing was barbaric.
I thought it was clear but here goes.
Every victim's family from whatever persuasion deserves the same level of investigation with no exceptions. I don't think that's going to happen, do you?
An anagram of Ciaran. Has this missing soldier been located after all these years?
rogueleader
suave gringo
That is a reasonable statement Mick, however the blunt fact is that many seek exoneration from this type behaviour by blaming the british state and army , as if they themselves had no control over their own actions. I`m no fan or supporter of the british state - or army - but " british soldiers murdered a lot of people that year " is both apologist and hypocrisy. Kill all the soldiers you want, dont try to justify the extra-judicial - and cowardly - killing of a non-combatant.
I don't get your point, this thread was about the arrest and questioning of Gerry Adams in relation to the murder of Jean McConville, so that’s the topic of the thread , the Murder of Jean McConville.
No one is denying that hundreds of horrible acts (or thousands) were committed during the troubles but I think the calculated killing of a mother of 10 is about as low as you can get, and it becomes even worse when people try and defend it by making out that she somehow deserved it.
Mick, are you having a laugh? Did you just try and compare Quisling with Jean McConville?
rogueleader
suave gringo
Is that the response you would expect and be content with if a member of your family had been killed ?
My dad was 10 years old in west Belfast when his dad was arrested in Operation Demetrius in 1972. It was two years before he seen him again, he was imprisoned without trial for being a young Catholic walking the streets. The British Army killed 20 people in the raids which scooped up my granddad (lifting people to put them in jail under special powers, without trial...). It was a total breakdown of society (I was going to say Democracy, but there had been no Democracy in that state for 50 years - and the army were defending that state) - people were paranoid, it felt as much as an existential crisis to them as the Nazi's banging on the door of Britain in 1940, and collaborators were deemed the enemy of the people.
I am not trying to excuse the barbarity of the McConville murder - I was trying to paint a picture of the circumstances surrounding the breakdown of society which led people to justify doing such things at the time.
Closest I've been to losing somebody was in the Dublin bombings in 1974, my father just passed moments before. 33 people killed I think, supposedly loyalist bombers with British Army expertise, but who can truly say?
This case has not been pursued because it has not been convenient politically to do so.
At this remove it probably never will be, like hundreds of other tragedies that occurred over the decades of the troubles.