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cini65 said:
Cretinous comment. You seem to think wanting AW out equates to also having no patience with any new subsequent manager. You're always about the extremes. One thing or the other.

AW is leading us nowhere anymore. Just like Hodgson is leading England nowhere. Just like Hodgson was leading Liverpool.

You seem to think any `AW out' fan is also one who has no patience, will want whoever replacing him to be similarly sacked if no signings are made etc.
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We have just seen Moyes sacked after 10 months in charge. How long would you give a new manager if Wenger was to leave
 
Han Shot First said:
3 years. First year to rebuild, 2nd year to compete, 3rd year to win stuff.

If we're not at least competitive in the 2nd year, then the manager should leave early.
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What do you consider competitive? Are we not competitive now (top 4 and cup final)? And if we are, why does the new manager need a year rebuilding?
 
ToledoTrumpton said:
What do you consider competitive? Are we not competitive now (top 4 and cup final)? And if we are, why does the new manager need a year rebuilding?
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Because this current regime and squad won't win us the league and CL, which should be the aim for a club like us. We're always someway off the league, and never make it past the quarter finals of the CL, sometimes you have to get worse to get better.

Winning the FA cup is hardly a mark of competitiveness now, Wigan won it last year and got relegated in the same season, and finishing 4th every year is below average for a team of our stature, and with our rumoured wage bill.
 
In the rebuilding year are people happy for us to do a utd and be a laughing stock?

People slate wenger for achieving consistent top 4, so I can understand why some people might worry our fans wouldn't have the patience with a new manager if there is a year which doesn't go well.
 
Han Shot First said:
Because this current regime and squad won't win us the league and CL, which should be the aim for a club like us. We're always someway off the league, and never make it past the quarter finals of the CL, sometimes you have to get worse to get better.

Winning the FA cup is hardly a mark of competitiveness now, Wigan won it last year and got relegated in the same season, and finishing 4th every year is below average for a team of our stature, and with our rumoured wage bill.
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When would say the FA Cup stopped being competitive ?
 
afcftw said:
In the rebuilding year are people happy for us to do a utd and be a laughing stock?

People slate wenger for achieving consistent top 4, so I can understand why some people might worry our fans wouldn't have the patience with a new manager if there is a year which doesn't go well.
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If there is a vision and actual long term plan, then yes. With United, i couldn't tell what Moyes was trying to achieve, his transfers were iffy, playing style inconsistent etc. If a new manager came in and presented a vision, then i'd take a bad year. Look at Liverpool, their rebuild from Dalglish being **** only took 2 years, because Rodgers had a vision and knew what he wanted to do.
 
Han Shot First said:
If their is a vision and actual long term plan, then yes. With United, i couldn't tell what Moyes was trying to achieve, his transfers were iffy, playing style inconsistent etc. If a new manager came in and presented a vision, then i'd take a bad year. Look at Liverpool, their rebuild from Dalglish being **** only took 2 years, because Rodgers had a vision and knew what he wanted to do.
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By your own reckoning even if Rodgers won the league this season you would only give him another two seasons to win a trophy before sacking him
 
Han Shot First said:
Last year. Just like Birmingham devalued the league cup, i can't take a cup seriously if the team that wins it ends up getting relegated. I'm all for the underdog story, but it poses the question why could they win the cup, but not play well in the league?
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What about 1973,1976,1980 all seasons when second division clubs won the FA Cup.Millwall got to the final as did Cardiff,then there's the numerous occasions when relegated clubs have got to the final.I can remember two third division clubs winning the League Cup.
 
goonercymraeg said:
By your own reckoning even if Rodgers won the league this season you would only give him another two seasons to win a trophy before sacking him
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No, because he'd be ahead of the schedule set. Like i said, year 1 is rebuilding, year 2 is competing, year 3 is winning. if the new guy came in and bypassed stage 2, i'd probably give him a contract extension. I would only sack the manager if we weren't competitive.

It feels like you're being deliberately obtuse.
 
FA Cup is a great trophy to win. But it's not an aim... more a sweetener on the side. For a club like us, the league and the CL are the two that should be challenged for. And we haven't been close to either for years. And no, this year does not count as being close.
 
goonercymraeg said:
What about 1973,1976,1980 all seasons when second division clubs won the FA Cup.Millwall got to the final as did Cardiff,then there's the numerous occasions when relegated clubs have got to the final.I can remember two third division clubs winning the League Cup.
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A) I wasn't alive for those seasons, because i'm not old
B) I tend to judge things based on my lifetime.
 
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