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It's not crap, and you have admitted you are not qualified to call it crap :)

The problem with Astronomy is that when gravity fails them they turn to maths and create things that do not exist. Again Strong theory, the idea was born and the maths done and redone until it worked, with 10 dimensions. <laugh>

What I find great about this project is that it is solidly based in observation (@mito Not by me, I just have opinions as stated in the OP I said "IMO") as well as experimentation and results. That and the new telescopes that can see particles propelled by radiation trillions of light years in a jet and be held in shape and direction by electromagnetic fields of immense power which indicates these electric fields extend to great distances.

It's hardly crap I would say, scientists do not even really know what gravity is and so that gives a shaky foundation to any model based on gravity of which we have little understanding, get my point.

What we know to be fact is that when someone's career is based on 40 years of assumptions and maths that do not add up to the reality then ego and vanity make some defend their theories. How often does one or two brilliant ideas get met with dismissal only to be vindicated years later.
The whole theory of how our sun actually works from core to corona is fundamentally flawed and so many experiments and observations have proven the settled science as at best incomplete and at worst totally incorrect. Many experiments and observations have given results totally at odds with mainstream theory.

On the Deep Impact NASA mission they fired an 800 pound copper projectile into a comet. There was an electrical discharge before the projectile impacted and a much bigger explosion than expected. The flash was predicted by the Thunderbolts project team prior to the test taking place, NASA and Astronomy in general did not as they expected it to be a dirty snowball but the footage from that mission clearly shows there was no ice on that comet. Also not expected by NASA or Agronomists was high temperatures and X-ray emissions from cometary comas.
In 2007 Holmes suddenly and unexpectedly brightened by a factor of a million. In less then 24 hours, it grew from a small 17th magnitude comet to a magnitude of 2.5, so large it was easily visible to the naked eye on Earth. Holmes' coma continued expanding until by mid-November of '07 it had become the largest object in the solar system, vastly larger than the Sun. The coma's diameter had grown from 28 thousand kilometers to 7 million km. It was moving away from the sun when this happened.

A comet has passed through the sun, now how does a block of ice pass through the Sun? That also throws the theories about how our Sun is made up and functions into serious doubt.

Sisu, once again you are wrong my friend. Whilst I may not understand the premiss upon which he is working, I have a lifetime of experience of considering the words and deeds of mankind upon which to base my supposition of what I described as crap. Also from my own researches I do have experience of those who have taken pieces of others research and created an almost total new reality (believe me the world a social-science research is far more bewildering then 'the real thing'). Now I know that I am not an astrophysicist and I strongly doubt that you are either therefore on this point I believe that I am entitled to refer to your posting as crap with the same level of authority as you present it as not crap i.e. very little.
 
So we don't know what gravity is? Maybe not, but that doesn't mean we can't make accurate observations of its effects.
Our not fully understanding its nature doesn't prevent it from doing what it does. Do we really understand electricity any better?

There's a lot of current thinking that doesn't entirely convince me, but I'm not qualified to formulate an alternative. Anything based purely on mathematics is vulnerable, because a formula can only be trusted if it includes all the pertinent factors, and what if there are some that are significant, but as yet undiscovered?

However, it's a big step from accepting that the prevailing theory is incomplete, to uncritically embracing an alternative with even less evidence to back it up.

that's a fair and good shout saint <ok>

suppose if math was that simple we would have invented time machines and worm holes by now lol, maybe their is something undiscovered that could blow everything out the water (might still be answered by math though ;) ), but as of now all we have is maths, until that's proven to not be the answer, what else do we have?
 
Anytime something new and radically different comes alone, even one based on science, the status quo get all ****ty pants.

Ah, now I see. It's basically an extension of your political anti-establishment stance. Fortunately, Science doesn't work on opinion, Sisu. People without scientific experience always compare it to politics or some other human institution, but Science is massively different. It's about evidence and it's self correcting. Unfortunately, it can't be put into simple language for the lay person easily. Look at the problems Dawkins and Hawking have had, and Einstein had, when trying to popularize science or when they came out with a witty quip. Science and mathematics are the greatest inventions known to man and the scientific system (The Scientific Method) we have, like democracy, isn't perfect, but time and time again history shows that it's the best we can have.
 
I'm not an astrophysicist and claim no expert knowledge.

I have seen several articles recently by scientists claiming dark matter doesn't exist.

I can't remember the details but one Japanese scientist said that if matter were still being created at universe's "centre"... it could explain everything that is currently being attributed to dark matter.

To me as an untrained professional that sound a more logical explanation that this mystical 21st century equivalent of ether.


You frequently see theories regarding how black holes would spawn big bangs and new universes in their centres.

If this were true and our uni is a black hole inside another universe would make sense that matter is still being created.


As I said. I'm no expert, but I've always thought how much dark matter sounds like other phenomena from science history like gemules and ether.
 
greatest threat to this planet is the twats that currently occupy it ie us.

seen all the stuff on black holes etc, seems a bit odd that in this day and age we know more about outer space than we do our own planet, obviously no financial reward for this.

i get all my physics from watching big bang theory <laugh> although that may be more to do with i want to **** kaley cuoco brains out, not sure.

I hear that

EDIT: As a being existing due to The Force, I can confirm the ether exists. Even spirits need a shipping address.
 
Anthony Peratt, a plasma scientist has shown how a spiral galaxy is created by twin currents called Birkeland currents in a super computer model. It has nothing to do with Dark matter whatsoever as it does not exist.. imo :D

It is not just this project as I have said, it is a combination of much research and past knowledge. Tesla was also another who was ridiculed.
 
that's a fair and good shout saint

suppose if math was that simple we would have invented time machines and worm holes by now lol, maybe their is something undiscovered that could blow everything out the water (might still be answered by math though ;) ), but as of now all we have is maths, until that's proven to not be the answer, what else do we have?

Maths is one of the tools we use to understand the universe. It's one of the best, because it allows us to predict unknown things through calculations based on established, known factors.
However, you can only be certain it's right if everything is taken into account, and how can we know what we don't know?
It's like trying to calculate a person's wealth by going through their pockets. You can count the cash they're carrying, but that doesn't tell you what they've got back home or in the bank or whatever.
 
Maths is one of the tools we use to understand the universe. It's one of the best, because it allows us to predict unknown things through calculations based on established, known factors.
However, you can only be certain it's right if everything is taken into account, and how can we know what we don't know?
It's like trying to calculate a person's wealth by going through their pockets. You can count the cash they're carrying, but that doesn't tell you what they've got back home or in the bank or whatever.


Not only that, the rules change too, our maths does not apply to everything in the universe as we do not understand everything. Just as the laws of physics as we knew them did not apply and had to be reevaluated with new discoveries.

What I never liked liked or believed is that because gravitational theory is so piss poor that 94% yes 94% of our entire Universe is dark matter or dark energy, so 94% of our universe is invisible in all spectrums we can detect but the maths says it is there to keep current gravitational theory alive and well, 94% of the entire universe invisible<doh>


How do we know our maths is up to the job if being able to be applied to everything in the universe. Arrogance if you ask me.
 
I'm not an astrophysicist and claim no expert knowledge.

I have seen several articles recently by scientists claiming dark matter doesn't exist.

I can't remember the details but one Japanese scientist said that if matter were still being created at universe's "centre"... it could explain everything that is currently being attributed to dark matter.

To me as an untrained professional that sound a more logical explanation that this mystical 21st century equivalent of ether.


You frequently see theories regarding how black holes would spawn big bangs and new universes in their centres.

If this were true and our uni is a black hole inside another universe would make sense that matter is still being created.


As I said. I'm no expert, but I've always thought how much dark matter sounds like other phenomena from science history like gemules and ether.

Dark matter is one of those things that I'm still unconvinced about that I referred to earlier. I'm no scientist either, but it seems highly illogical.
 
Sorry Sis but it's all crap! If we did have a Big Bang then equal amounts of matter and anti-matter should have been created and cancelled each other out. Hence the big bang would have been even less than a wet fart. However more matter was created than anti-matter and what's left is the result. Find out why and you can answer all of the other questions.

Some friends of ours have a son who is an astrophysicist in Liverpool and he's been working on a theory involving neutrinos. But after 5 minutes of hime explaning the outline of his theory I'm totally lost!

Neutrinos? Isnt that what caused the earth to fall apart in 2012? (the film)
 
Hannes Alfvén - the father of plasma research.

Students using astrophysical textbooks remain essentially ignorant of even the existence of plasma concepts despite the fact that some of them have been known for half a century

Given the results of observations especially from newer telescopes and the proven massive amounts of electrical energy and electrical events in space the fact Astrophysicists ignore this aspect when contriving their theories is totally is shocking.
 
Neutrinos? Isnt that what caused the earth to fall apart in 2012? (the film)

<laugh> The neutrinos have mutated. I guess by the end of the movie they mutated back to their original state<doh>

There's a nut job out there called Marshal Masters, who is telling all who will listen planet Nibiru is coming <yikes> A really creepy guy, looks like a ***** priest
 
Not only that, the rules change too, our maths does not apply to everything in the universe as we do not understand everything. Just as the laws of physics as we knew them did not apply and had to be reevaluated with new discoveries.

What I never liked liked or believed is that because gravitational theory is so piss poor that 94% yes 94% of our entire Universe is dark matter or dark energy, so 94% of our universe is invisible in all spectrums we can detect but the maths says it is there to keep current gravitational theory alive and well, 94% of the entire universe invisible


How do we know our maths is up to the job if being able to be applied to everything in the universe. Arrogance if you ask me.

Well, if the current theory states that we can only detect 6% of the universe then it doesn't really matter what we call the rest of it. Something must comprise the rest of the total.
I'm just not convinced that the maths is right, for the reasons I outlined above.
But I don't think it's some pernicious attempt to keep us in the dark (matter), I do think they're doing their best to understand and explain the universe.
 
Well, if the current theory states that we can only detect 6% of the universe then it doesn't really matter what we call the rest of it. Something must comprise the rest of the total.
I'm just not convinced that the maths is right, for the reasons I outlined above.
But I don't think it's some pernicious attempt to keep us in the dark (matter), I do think they're doing their best to understand and explain the universe.

I get you but there people will fight tooth and nail to defend their life's work. That's a fact.

Something that is only detectible by maths that's a good one<laugh>
 
There's a nut job out there called Marshal Masters, who is telling all who will listen planet Nibiru is coming <yikes> A really creepy guy, looks like a ***** priest

But you don't like that hypothesis? What if he had a few physicists backing him up and a decent looking website? :bandit:

<laugh>
 
I get you but there people will fight tooth and nail to defend their life's work. That's a fact.

Something that is only detectible by maths that's a good one<laugh>

well until proven otherwise all you have is a theory, **** me i could come up with one of them, proving it is something entirely different.

we may depend on maths more than we should, but as its the basic principal to a lot of what we know and believe to be fact, what else is there.

also like i said earlier it may be just the case of not knowing the formula yet, not that maths thinks its bollocks.

cant you batards knock English <laugh> far worthier subject to laugh at than maths.
 
well until proven otherwise all you have is a theory, **** me i could come up with one of them, proving it is something entirely different.

we may depend on maths more than we should, but as its the basic principal to a lot of what we know and believe to be fact, what else is there.

also like i said earlier it may be just the case of not knowing the formula yet, not that maths thinks its bollocks.

cant you batards knock English far worthier subject to laugh at than maths.

Some can hardly speak it. <laugh>
 
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