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  1. Foredeckdave

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    Sisu, once again you are wrong my friend. Whilst I may not understand the premiss upon which he is working, I have a lifetime of experience of considering the words and deeds of mankind upon which to base my supposition of what I described as crap. Also from my own researches I do have experience of those who have taken pieces of others research and created an almost total new reality (believe me the world a social-science research is far more bewildering then 'the real thing'). Now I know that I am not an astrophysicist and I strongly doubt that you are either therefore on this point I believe that I am entitled to refer to your posting as crap with the same level of authority as you present it as not crap i.e. very little.
     
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  2. jenners04

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    that's a fair and good shout saint <ok>

    suppose if math was that simple we would have invented time machines and worm holes by now lol, maybe their is something undiscovered that could blow everything out the water (might still be answered by math though ;) ), but as of now all we have is maths, until that's proven to not be the answer, what else do we have?
     
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  3. CCC

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    Ah, now I see. It's basically an extension of your political anti-establishment stance. Fortunately, Science doesn't work on opinion, Sisu. People without scientific experience always compare it to politics or some other human institution, but Science is massively different. It's about evidence and it's self correcting. Unfortunately, it can't be put into simple language for the lay person easily. Look at the problems Dawkins and Hawking have had, and Einstein had, when trying to popularize science or when they came out with a witty quip. Science and mathematics are the greatest inventions known to man and the scientific system (The Scientific Method) we have, like democracy, isn't perfect, but time and time again history shows that it's the best we can have.
     
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    I'm not an astrophysicist and claim no expert knowledge.

    I have seen several articles recently by scientists claiming dark matter doesn't exist.

    I can't remember the details but one Japanese scientist said that if matter were still being created at universe's "centre"... it could explain everything that is currently being attributed to dark matter.

    To me as an untrained professional that sound a more logical explanation that this mystical 21st century equivalent of ether.


    You frequently see theories regarding how black holes would spawn big bangs and new universes in their centres.

    If this were true and our uni is a black hole inside another universe would make sense that matter is still being created.


    As I said. I'm no expert, but I've always thought how much dark matter sounds like other phenomena from science history like gemules and ether.
     
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    I hear that

    EDIT: As a being existing due to The Force, I can confirm the ether exists. Even spirits need a shipping address.
     
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    Anthony Peratt, a plasma scientist has shown how a spiral galaxy is created by twin currents called Birkeland currents in a super computer model. It has nothing to do with Dark matter whatsoever as it does not exist.. imo :D

    It is not just this project as I have said, it is a combination of much research and past knowledge. Tesla was also another who was ridiculed.
     
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  9. saintanton

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    Maths is one of the tools we use to understand the universe. It's one of the best, because it allows us to predict unknown things through calculations based on established, known factors.
    However, you can only be certain it's right if everything is taken into account, and how can we know what we don't know?
    It's like trying to calculate a person's wealth by going through their pockets. You can count the cash they're carrying, but that doesn't tell you what they've got back home or in the bank or whatever.
     
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    Not only that, the rules change too, our maths does not apply to everything in the universe as we do not understand everything. Just as the laws of physics as we knew them did not apply and had to be reevaluated with new discoveries.

    What I never liked liked or believed is that because gravitational theory is so piss poor that 94% yes 94% of our entire Universe is dark matter or dark energy, so 94% of our universe is invisible in all spectrums we can detect but the maths says it is there to keep current gravitational theory alive and well, 94% of the entire universe invisible<doh>


    How do we know our maths is up to the job if being able to be applied to everything in the universe. Arrogance if you ask me.
     
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    Dark matter is one of those things that I'm still unconvinced about that I referred to earlier. I'm no scientist either, but it seems highly illogical.
     
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    Neutrinos? Isnt that what caused the earth to fall apart in 2012? (the film)
     
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    Hannes Alfvén - the father of plasma research.

    Given the results of observations especially from newer telescopes and the proven massive amounts of electrical energy and electrical events in space the fact Astrophysicists ignore this aspect when contriving their theories is totally is shocking.
     
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    <laugh> The neutrinos have mutated. I guess by the end of the movie they mutated back to their original state<doh>

    There's a nut job out there called Marshal Masters, who is telling all who will listen planet Nibiru is coming <yikes> A really creepy guy, looks like a ***** priest
     
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    Well, if the current theory states that we can only detect 6% of the universe then it doesn't really matter what we call the rest of it. Something must comprise the rest of the total.
    I'm just not convinced that the maths is right, for the reasons I outlined above.
    But I don't think it's some pernicious attempt to keep us in the dark (matter), I do think they're doing their best to understand and explain the universe.
     
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    I get you but there people will fight tooth and nail to defend their life's work. That's a fact.

    Something that is only detectible by maths that's a good one<laugh>
     
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    But you don't like that hypothesis? What if he had a few physicists backing him up and a decent looking website? :bandit:

    <laugh>
     
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  18. jenners04

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    well until proven otherwise all you have is a theory, **** me i could come up with one of them, proving it is something entirely different.

    we may depend on maths more than we should, but as its the basic principal to a lot of what we know and believe to be fact, what else is there.

    also like i said earlier it may be just the case of not knowing the formula yet, not that maths thinks its bollocks.

    cant you batards knock English <laugh> far worthier subject to laugh at than maths.
     
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  19. saintanton

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    Thought that was Eminem's real name......
     
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  20. saintanton

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    Some can hardly speak it. <laugh>
     
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