Good evening lads and lasses..How the devil are you?
It was so bad today that I'm actually immune to anything you can throw at us. It was a fully deserved win for you. We were dire.
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It was so bad today that I'm actually immune to anything you can throw at us. It was a fully deserved win for you. We were dire.
I get the feeling that the majority of you feel the same, hence why I have refrained from gloating too much out of pity...
Yeah we were dire.
We've been here before early season, Cabs wasn't playing, we didn't have Remy, we looked woeful. I'm going to reserve final judgment on Pardew for a few weeks until we can field our best team. Clearly not having Colo in the side telling defenders what to do screws us completely. It's complete panic station as soon as Sunderland come at us. Yeah, Taylor isn't good enough to be in the first team. We have no choice but to keep playing Benny, he did play a couple of good passes yesterday, but those receiving it couldn't beat their man or take a shot if teir life depended on it. Maybe with Remy and Gouf in the side he can actually pass it to someone who will do something with it.
Shola... has had his fair amount of starts this year. He can't be that rusty. He had two clear headers, one of them had to be in. He's just gone from being journeyman who you could play against Fulham to not quite good enough to have any impact at all. He's a bit too slow, a bit too clumsy a bit too weak.
Pardew... I blame for his man management of those players not playing. Especially Cissé, Jonas, Marveaux. Those are players that are good enough to be subs. To come in and do a job. But bascially Pardew just cut them out completely. Instead he brings on Shola and Obertan. Also why repeatedly bring on Haidara, but then when there's a match where you could viable at least bring him on at left wing or left back you put on Dummet, Sameobi and a guy who probably doesn't even know the names of his teammates yet? Pardew yesterday was doing nothing but throwing hail marys left right and centre.
We've been here before early season, Cabs wasn't playing, we didn't have Remy, we looked woeful. I'm going to reserve final judgment on Pardew for a few weeks until we can field our best team. Clearly not having Colo in the side telling defenders what to do screws us completely. It's complete panic station as soon as Sunderland come at us. Yeah, Taylor isn't good enough to be in the first team. We have no choice but to keep playing Benny, he did play a couple of good passes yesterday, but those receiving it couldn't beat their man or take a shot if teir life depended on it. Maybe with Remy and Gouf in the side he can actually pass it to someone who will do something with it.
Shola... has had his fair amount of starts this year. He can't be that rusty. He had two clear headers, one of them had to be in. He's just gone from being journeyman who you could play against Fulham to not quite good enough to have any impact at all. He's a bit too slow, a bit too clumsy a bit too weak.
Pardew... I blame for his man management of those players not playing. Especially Cissé, Jonas, Marveaux. Those are players that are good enough to be subs. To come in and do a job. But bascially Pardew just cut them out completely. Instead he brings on Shola and Obertan. Also why repeatedly bring on Haidara, but then when there's a match where you could viable at least bring him on at left wing or left back you put on Dummet, Sameobi and a guy who probably doesn't even know the names of his teammates yet? Pardew yesterday was doing nothing but throwing hail marys left right and centre.
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Match report from nufc.com
The 150th competitive Tyne-wear derby ended in a deserved defeat for Newcastle on Saturday, as the mackems made it three successive wins over their deadliest rivals for the first time in ninety years.
The last two derby meetings had seen dubious refereeing decisions leave United nursing a sense of injustice, but there was absolutely no doubt this time as a complete non-performance from the home side was duly punished.
With Yoan Gouffran, Papiss Cisse and Loic Remy all absent, Alan Pardew opted for Shola Ameobi to lead the line, naming new loan arrival Luuk De Jong on the bench.
There was never any hint of a breakthrough for the home side though, before the yellow-clad mackems burst into the area on 19 minutes. Vurnon Anita illegally halted the run of Phil Bardsley and Fabio Borini netted the resultant penalty with ease in front of the Leazes End.
Before anything approaching a comeback was sighted, the visitors swarmed forward again and Jack Colback's shot was deflected for Adam Johnson to knock home.
Entirely justified boos and abuse accompanied the half time whistle after a stunningly inept display from the home side that lacked strength, application, leadership, pace and desire. Quite simply, we did nothing properly.
A raft of alleged international players not only showed little appetite and no desire to chase lost causes, but also a criminal lack of commitment and talent. Poor decision-making across a jittery back four was echoed by bone-headed attempts at crossing and passing, while the departure of our dead ball expert made free kicks and corners a total waste of time.
De Jong replaced Sammy Ameobi for the second half with Ben Arfa switching to the left flank, but the improvement was only marginal - Vito Mannone stretched on just one occasion when Tiote's shot was on target.
Without building any momentum, United did contrive to deliver the ball into the mackem box on a few occasions. None of the half-chances created were converted though and a major let-off at the other end saw Johnson smack his curling effort off a post.
Any lingering hopes of a late revival by United were then extinguished after 80 minutes, when Ben Arfa weakly surrendered possession on halfway and Jack Colback swept the ball home after an upfield break to give the mackems a three goal advantage here once again.
Before the game could restart, one home fan made it on to the pitch and attempted to hand his season ticket to Pardew before stewards intervened.
Some post-match confrontations between home followers and police in the city were reported, but nothing on a par with the scenes witnessed here last time thankfully.
Statistics show a fourth successive home defeat in all competitions and a third in the Premier League without scoring, but beyond that lies an overwhelming sense of gloom across Tyneside following the sale of Cabaye and completely predictable failure to sign a replacement.
The atmosphere was apprehensive and scarcely got any better on a day when a collective uplift from the team was desperately required. Those clad in black and white though chose to post a woefully clueless performance that wouldn't have been acceptable in a pre-season friendly, let alone a match of this magnitude.
Here's another stat: in four games when they faced each other in the dugout, it's Poyet 4 Pardew 0. Sadly lacking in tactical prowess, the United boss again demonstrated that his motivational qualities are as poor for derby matches as for cup ties. God alone knows what those next to him on the bench bring to the party.
Add in unconvincing attempts to defend his superiors and any credibility he had is draining away at a rate of knots. Were our current manager to disappear tonight and never be seen again, barely an eyebrow would be raised.
The issues at hand are far bigger than him though and swapping him for the next out of work boss prepared to be hung out to dry by his employer would solve nothing. Ironically enough, that successor looked as if it may have been Poyet at one point between his Brighton exit and mackem move.
And here's some more bad news - there's no more chance of Hatem Ben Arfa inspiring his colleagues and filling the vacant midfield creator slot than another busted flush Sylvain Marveaux, introduced here for his first league appearance in over four months. It showed.
As was the case at the stadium of plight last October, a thoroughly average mackem side collected three points gifted to them by their generous regional rivals, earning their win thanks to a measure application and composure completely lacking by the team higher up the table.
Toon fans can feel aggrieved by the transfer dealings (or lack of them), but a large chunk of blame has to lie on the field for a woeful performance. Lacking conviction to a criminal degree, this was simply shameful.
Team: Krul, Debuchy, Santon (Dummett 64), Tiote, Williamson, S.Taylor, Sissoko, Anita (Marveaux 74), Sh.Ameobi, Ben Arfa, Sa Ameobi (De Jong 46).
Subs n/u: Yanga-Mbiwa, Haidara, Elliot, Armstrong.
Booked: Santon, Dummett
smbfc: Mannone, Bardsley, Alonso, Bridcutt, O'Shea, Brown, Johnson (Larsson 77), Ki, Altidore, Colback, Borini (Gardner 89).
Subs n/u: Wickham, Giaccherini, Vergini, Scocco, Ustari
Booked: O'Shea, Borini
Goals: Borini 19(pen), Johnson 23, Colback 80
Referee: Phil Dowd
Crowd: 52,280 - highest of the season.
Obviously the ticket sales for May's Kings of Leon gig at SJP are flagging, judging by the desperate attempts at plugging it on the PA today. Playing wall to wall tunes by the band was a tactic resorted to with no great success when Bryan Adams and Rod Stewart appeared here.
The 150th competitive Tyne-wear derby ended in a deserved defeat for Newcastle on Saturday, as the mackems made it three successive wins over their deadliest rivals for the first time in ninety years.
The last two derby meetings had seen dubious refereeing decisions leave United nursing a sense of injustice, but there was absolutely no doubt this time as a complete non-performance from the home side was duly punished.
With Yoan Gouffran, Papiss Cisse and Loic Remy all absent, Alan Pardew opted for Shola Ameobi to lead the line, naming new loan arrival Luuk De Jong on the bench.
There was never any hint of a breakthrough for the home side though, before the yellow-clad mackems burst into the area on 19 minutes. Vurnon Anita illegally halted the run of Phil Bardsley and Fabio Borini netted the resultant penalty with ease in front of the Leazes End.
Before anything approaching a comeback was sighted, the visitors swarmed forward again and Jack Colback's shot was deflected for Adam Johnson to knock home.
Entirely justified boos and abuse accompanied the half time whistle after a stunningly inept display from the home side that lacked strength, application, leadership, pace and desire. Quite simply, we did nothing properly.
A raft of alleged international players not only showed little appetite and no desire to chase lost causes, but also a criminal lack of commitment and talent. Poor decision-making across a jittery back four was echoed by bone-headed attempts at crossing and passing, while the departure of our dead ball expert made free kicks and corners a total waste of time.
De Jong replaced Sammy Ameobi for the second half with Ben Arfa switching to the left flank, but the improvement was only marginal - Vito Mannone stretched on just one occasion when Tiote's shot was on target.
Without building any momentum, United did contrive to deliver the ball into the mackem box on a few occasions. None of the half-chances created were converted though and a major let-off at the other end saw Johnson smack his curling effort off a post.
Any lingering hopes of a late revival by United were then extinguished after 80 minutes, when Ben Arfa weakly surrendered possession on halfway and Jack Colback swept the ball home after an upfield break to give the mackems a three goal advantage here once again.
Before the game could restart, one home fan made it on to the pitch and attempted to hand his season ticket to Pardew before stewards intervened.
Some post-match confrontations between home followers and police in the city were reported, but nothing on a par with the scenes witnessed here last time thankfully.
Statistics show a fourth successive home defeat in all competitions and a third in the Premier League without scoring, but beyond that lies an overwhelming sense of gloom across Tyneside following the sale of Cabaye and completely predictable failure to sign a replacement.
The atmosphere was apprehensive and scarcely got any better on a day when a collective uplift from the team was desperately required. Those clad in black and white though chose to post a woefully clueless performance that wouldn't have been acceptable in a pre-season friendly, let alone a match of this magnitude.
Here's another stat: in four games when they faced each other in the dugout, it's Poyet 4 Pardew 0. Sadly lacking in tactical prowess, the United boss again demonstrated that his motivational qualities are as poor for derby matches as for cup ties. God alone knows what those next to him on the bench bring to the party.
Add in unconvincing attempts to defend his superiors and any credibility he had is draining away at a rate of knots. Were our current manager to disappear tonight and never be seen again, barely an eyebrow would be raised.
The issues at hand are far bigger than him though and swapping him for the next out of work boss prepared to be hung out to dry by his employer would solve nothing. Ironically enough, that successor looked as if it may have been Poyet at one point between his Brighton exit and mackem move.
And here's some more bad news - there's no more chance of Hatem Ben Arfa inspiring his colleagues and filling the vacant midfield creator slot than another busted flush Sylvain Marveaux, introduced here for his first league appearance in over four months. It showed.
As was the case at the stadium of plight last October, a thoroughly average mackem side collected three points gifted to them by their generous regional rivals, earning their win thanks to a measure application and composure completely lacking by the team higher up the table.
Toon fans can feel aggrieved by the transfer dealings (or lack of them), but a large chunk of blame has to lie on the field for a woeful performance. Lacking conviction to a criminal degree, this was simply shameful.
Team: Krul, Debuchy, Santon (Dummett 64), Tiote, Williamson, S.Taylor, Sissoko, Anita (Marveaux 74), Sh.Ameobi, Ben Arfa, Sa Ameobi (De Jong 46).
Subs n/u: Yanga-Mbiwa, Haidara, Elliot, Armstrong.
Booked: Santon, Dummett
smbfc: Mannone, Bardsley, Alonso, Bridcutt, O'Shea, Brown, Johnson (Larsson 77), Ki, Altidore, Colback, Borini (Gardner 89).
Subs n/u: Wickham, Giaccherini, Vergini, Scocco, Ustari
Booked: O'Shea, Borini
Goals: Borini 19(pen), Johnson 23, Colback 80
Referee: Phil Dowd
Crowd: 52,280 - highest of the season.
Obviously the ticket sales for May's Kings of Leon gig at SJP are flagging, judging by the desperate attempts at plugging it on the PA today. Playing wall to wall tunes by the band was a tactic resorted to with no great success when Bryan Adams and Rod Stewart appeared here.
Pardew comments:
Alan Pardew:
"The better team won for sure - of course I am disappointed at the result and performance.
"We were not our usual selves today, perhaps we were too hyped up but everyone was giving the ball away, and that is a little unlike us and we struggled to be honest.
"Although we created chances we never really had the conviction to score, and we have taken two big parts of goal scoring out the team and we are going to have to reflect on this result and look at ourselves and make sure we are strong between now and the end of the year and maybe go back to basics.
"We came up against a Sunderland team we knew were in good form and once they got that first goal it raised their game and disjointed us, and we tried to chase it and rush things around the box when we are normally much calmer.
"You don't want to lose to your rivals and in these circumstances which has happened two years in a row now but we have to be strong. We have to remember where we are in the league and how we got there.
"It is about taking stock now. We know how important it is to the fans and the memory is not going to get wiped away but we are professional and we have to get ready for a tough game with Chelsea and get ourselves a game plan that will work as it didn't work today.
"I have to be honest, the decision on Norwich baffles me, that a guy - in my view - cheated like (Bradley) Johnson does and gets off a red card and our guy (Loic Remy) stays on it, I don't get that.
"We lose (Yohan) Cabaye and don't get another transfer in, it has been a tough week, so we have had a few blows leading up to this game.
When you lose a player of Cabaye’s class, you want a replacement. But he didn’t arrive, and I have to accept what was in my kitty today and going forward. I have to try to get the best out of the group I have got.
"Loic Remy was a big loss today because we created chances, but there was a lack of conviction in our finishing today, which he certainly doesn’t lack, and he was a big loss today.
"A lot of the play went through Yohan, so we’re going to have to change our style. We haven’t played well. We came out of Norwich game with our confidence high.
"After the first goal went in, we chased the game and got edgy - we didn’t really trouble sunderland. I think the first goal was an important factor. We made a mistake on the goal - after that everything was forced and rushed.
"In these derby games, you’ve got to have composure, and sunderland had more composure. We had chances, but we lacked conviction. The quality of the shot and the quality of the pass was not there.
"That was a key factor, had we got it to 2-1, we could have got the crowd involved. You’ve got to compete in this fixture, but you’ve also got to have bravery on the ball. We didn’t have that."
Alan Pardew:
"The better team won for sure - of course I am disappointed at the result and performance.
"We were not our usual selves today, perhaps we were too hyped up but everyone was giving the ball away, and that is a little unlike us and we struggled to be honest.
"Although we created chances we never really had the conviction to score, and we have taken two big parts of goal scoring out the team and we are going to have to reflect on this result and look at ourselves and make sure we are strong between now and the end of the year and maybe go back to basics.
"We came up against a Sunderland team we knew were in good form and once they got that first goal it raised their game and disjointed us, and we tried to chase it and rush things around the box when we are normally much calmer.
"You don't want to lose to your rivals and in these circumstances which has happened two years in a row now but we have to be strong. We have to remember where we are in the league and how we got there.
"It is about taking stock now. We know how important it is to the fans and the memory is not going to get wiped away but we are professional and we have to get ready for a tough game with Chelsea and get ourselves a game plan that will work as it didn't work today.
"I have to be honest, the decision on Norwich baffles me, that a guy - in my view - cheated like (Bradley) Johnson does and gets off a red card and our guy (Loic Remy) stays on it, I don't get that.
"We lose (Yohan) Cabaye and don't get another transfer in, it has been a tough week, so we have had a few blows leading up to this game.
When you lose a player of Cabaye’s class, you want a replacement. But he didn’t arrive, and I have to accept what was in my kitty today and going forward. I have to try to get the best out of the group I have got.
"Loic Remy was a big loss today because we created chances, but there was a lack of conviction in our finishing today, which he certainly doesn’t lack, and he was a big loss today.
"A lot of the play went through Yohan, so we’re going to have to change our style. We haven’t played well. We came out of Norwich game with our confidence high.
"After the first goal went in, we chased the game and got edgy - we didn’t really trouble sunderland. I think the first goal was an important factor. We made a mistake on the goal - after that everything was forced and rushed.
"In these derby games, you’ve got to have composure, and sunderland had more composure. We had chances, but we lacked conviction. The quality of the shot and the quality of the pass was not there.
"That was a key factor, had we got it to 2-1, we could have got the crowd involved. You’ve got to compete in this fixture, but you’ve also got to have bravery on the ball. We didn’t have that."
All I can suggest is for Newcastle supporters maintain a good diet and a healthy lifestyle and I am sure you will live long enough to eventually see a victory over Sunderland , It had crossed my mind to bring up the " If Sunderland are relegated " thread but maybe it would be a bit below the belt
a complete non-performance from the home side was duly punished.
Pardew can say what he likes, but you can't change the fact that we were outplayed and out thought and that it was his team and tactics that were to blame.Pardew OOT.
Pardew can say what he likes, but you can't change the fact that we were outplayed and out thought and that it was his team and tactics that were to blame.Pardew OOT.
Obviously I am enjoying the after glow..but I do not forget that we still need 5 wins for safety you need two draws....you have had a good season but a poor week losing your best player and your leading goalscorer banned (IMHO it was not a sending off).
Thanks for the points we desperately needed them
Thanks for the points we desperately needed them
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