Name change discussion

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Or perhaps you haven't read it, like you haven't read Bob Carolgees finely worded support of your position.

I've yet to see any constructive alternative to the random abuse the "anti Allam" brigade trot out in response to anything they construe as support for the name change. Ignoring the "relationship" you have with Cheshire Ben, do you really think his foul mouthed replies on here help your cause?

It's AA's disciples that have turned the name change debate into an anti allam debate. There is no measured argument for the change & as such the disciples have turned the debate on it's head.

Quite sad really.

 

[Fez]

I am 100% against the name change, but will re-new my season ticket if we are Hull Tigers next year.My gut reaction was to call it a day after over 50 years following City but as my wife said "Its a big part of your life why let this take it away,besides I don't want you at home with a face like thunder every other Saturday".The people who are in favour of the name change are taking a very simplistic view when they say "If you don't like it don't attend games", I suspect quite a few will be like me, their love for City will be stronger than the dislike for stupid messing about with our name.

I have total respect for people who won't be going next year,but it is a step too far for me.I will go to the KC and some away games and that will be it , I have cancelled Tiger Player stopped buying refreshments at half time (no great sacrifice), and for the first Christmas for years my three sons and I asked my wife to buy nothing from the club shop.If enough people do this and I know quite a few who have it might make Mr.Allam treat his core support with some consideration .

If the name change by some ill-fortune is approved the usual suspects on here will be saying they were right all along as the KC is still virtually full and ignore the sizable chunk of that crowd who would remain CTWD.

I totally understand where you are coming from ; it is a very personal judgment call.

I do wonder how much longer you will be able to say (accurately) ' after over 50 years following City ' because the whole intent is that City will not exist - not only will it not exist but it will have died at the hands of an owner who vilifies that term, 'City'.

There is lots of football out there; kids, youth, disabled, Saturday, Sunday, Ladies; perhaps one or more of them are more deserving of the support of a lover of football. Unless of course (this is not targeted at you and please forgive me for using your genuine and heartfelt post, but it is apt) it is the appeal of the ground, of the (library) crowd, the excellent PR and merchandising, the inconsistent football (it varies at any level - ask Moyes), the pint with the lads - or is it the memories of bygone years, of games won and lost as Hull City AFC {The Tigers), friends passed but not forgotten, the pride and disappointment of supporting 'City', the arriving home and the wife saying . had a good day love, better luck next week?

As I have said earlier, I will move away from my team should the name-change go ahead; in some ways it is like a man divorcing his wife because they have grown apart and I know that Hull Tigers, owned by Allam, is not where I would wish to be; as a man who has been happily married for 40yrs, it is not a decision I make lightly.

I respect your post, it is honest and to the point.

 

[TygerTyger]

With the large amount of repetitive clap trap & continuous trolling by the Disciples can this thread be closed?

There have been numerous Pro AA threads, numerous Long threads (even though there's a Jan tran thread), numerous Jellybitch threads (see Long's brackets).

With the NCT there are at times numerous different articles, items, ideas & opinions being discussed at any one time, all of which are continually being trolled by AA's Disciples. The thread is pointless. It is only here because the Disciples requested it.

All future name change threads should be given threads of their own. It is a relevant subject matter with many different areas of discussion all of which cannot be discussed if full under a single thread title.

Ah the old "lose the argument close the thread" ploy!

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Ah the old "lose the argument close the thread" ploy!

You & the other disciples of Allam have never offered a ****ing argument, you thick ****, that's why you all cried 'til all name change threads were bundled into this pile of **** thread & trolled constantly by yourselves.

The same link's being posted three times in a few hours smacks of desperation & further reinforces the need to close this thread, the disciples can't even follow it.

 

[DMD]

Or perhaps you haven't read it, like you haven't read Bob Carolgees finely worded support of your position.

I've yet to see any constructive alternative to the random abuse the "anti Allam" brigade trot out in response to anything they construe as support for the name change. Ignoring the "relationship" you have with Cheshire Ben, do you really think his foul mouthed replies on here help your cause?

CTWD state quite clearly they're against the name change, not Mr Allam, who they support. It seems to be the few seemingly not against the name change that want to shift the agenda.

If they had a good reason in favour of the name change, perhaps they wouldn't need to try dragging the goal posts all over.

 

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CTWD state quite clearly they're against the name change, not Mr Allam, who they support. It seems to be the few seemingly not against the name change that want to shift the agenda.

If they had a good reason in favour of the name change, perhaps they wouldn't need to try dragging the goal posts all over.

agenda shifted by CTWD .. courtesy of allam ... you now have a new monikor .. its called plague on tigers fans ... welcome to your new world

 

[Fez]

In the Mail on Sunday Patrick Collins writes

Some nostalgics look back to those distant days before the Premier League became a confederation of sheiks and oligarchs and mysterious billionaires; days when local lads who had made a bob or 10 could hope to control even our grandest clubs. Well, those lucky lads sold out one by one; most notably Martin Edwards, who had the undeserved good fortune to inherit Manchester United and walked away with more than £100m when it passed into the hands of the monstrous Glazers.
Some of those new owners have revealed an incontinent brashness. Others, most notably Sheik Mansour at Manchester City, have behaved with gracious sensitivity in both club and community. A few, such as Katharina Liebherr at Southampton, have yet to show their hand. Yet they all know that they can behave almost exactly as they choose, that their exclusive club has no enforceable rules.
Which is why the Hull fans are awaiting this week’s decision on the proposed change of name with such trepidation. And why the Football Association will be treading so warily when taking that decision. The pressure group called City Till I Die have declared their confidence that the FA will ‘make the right decision and protect the heritage and traditions of Hull City AFC’. There is talk of protest marches and a boycott of home games if the name of City is not preserved.
But Dr Allam insists he will walk away from the club within 24 hours if the verdict goes against him. ‘Have I ever said something and gone back on it? No,’ he says. He sounds like a man who means it.
If he does go, then the club’s survival could not be guaranteed. And the tragedy is that these are the best days in Hull’s 110-year existence. The ground is buzzing, the team likewise. They are holding their own among the best in the land. This is no time to rock the boat with such a trifling tiff.
But Assem Allam is deeply affronted. Having funded a remarkable revival of the club’s fortunes, he believes that his good faith and credibility are at stake. And the Hull fans have this curious, illogical, yet utterly genuine attachment to what they regard as a binding principle.
‘Dr Allam is not entitled to take away what means so much to so many people,’ said the lady called Sally. She may well be misguided, yet she is palpably sincere.
So, as the two sides stare at each other in mutual incomprehension, a fine football club edge towards the brink. The hope must be for a belated compromise, for a dawning of sweet reason. But compromise is not in the air and reason has yet to raise its voice.

Hence my post and my point of view. Sometimes in life, love and sport there has to be a compromise.

Not only is this aqn old item, but it is full of observation and short on solution, It seems to me that he says that the result of the owners actions is unacceptable, but he would hope that a solution can be found to deflect the inevitable. One thing I know about sports journos is that if such a solution was both obvious and acceptable, it would form a part of his headline. He knows the fans have been backed into a corner and he regrets that; just as I regret that some like having their bellies tickled.

 

[TygerTyger]

You & the other disciples of Allam have never offered a ****ing argument, you thick ****, that's why you all cried 'til all name change threads were bundled into this pile of **** thread & trolled constantly by yourselves.

The same link's being posted three times in a few hours smacks of desperation.

Dear me, you really can't reply without resorting to foul language can you. Still if you have no real reasoned argument I guess it's the best you can do.

Now, try again without swearing. There's a good boy.

 

[TygerTyger]

CTWD state quite clearly they're against the name change, not Mr Allam, who they support. It seems to be the few seemingly not against the name change that want to shift the agenda.

If they had a good reason in favour of the name change, perhaps they wouldn't need to try dragging the goal posts all over.

I have no complaint with CTWD, are they represented by the potty mouthed little inadequate who calls himself Cheshire Ben? Are you personally happy with the impression he gives the outside world of your own stance DMD?

 

[Fez]

With the large amount of repetitive clap trap & continuous trolling by the Disciples can this thread be closed?

There have been numerous Pro AA threads, numerous Long threads (even though there's a Jan tran thread), numerous Jellybitch threads (see Long's brackets).

With the NCT there are at times numerous different articles, items, ideas & opinions being discussed at any one time, all of which are continually being trolled by AA's Disciples. The thread is pointless. It is only here because the Disciples requested it.

All future name change threads should be given threads of their own. It is a relevant subject matter with many different areas of discussion all of which cannot be discussed if full under a single thread title.

Why do you want this thread closed - ignore it or add something pertinent - it harms you not at all.

 

[DMD]

I have no complaint with CTWD, are they represented by the potty mouthed little inadequate who calls himself Cheshire Ben? Are you personally happy with the impression he gives the outside world of your own stance DMD?

Only an idiot would think he spoke for me.

Anyway, rather than this sillyness, what about using the thread for its purpose and giving your view on why you think the name change is a good thing?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Dear me, you really can't reply without resorting to foul language can you. Still if you have no real reasoned argument I guess it's the best you can do.

Now, try again without swearing. There's a good boy.

You're as poor at patronising as you are at debate.

All the reasoned arguments were made 4-6 months ago, all from those against the name change. There have been none delivered for the change by AA or his disciples because there isn't a reasonable argument for changing the club's name. They are on the threads prior to this one that was instigated by the disciples when they realised they were on looking rather foolish on many other threads.

The disciples subsequently took it upon themselves, when they realised they had no argument, to alter the agenda & attempt to make the debate an anti AA discussion, completely without foundation or relevance.

All reasoned discussion has been done. Can you not see how posting a link three times in six hours is desperate.

You ****.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Why do you want this thread closed - ignore it or add something pertinent - it harms you not at all.

I think it loses its path when numerous different debates are ongoing under the same banner.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I have no complaint with CTWD, are they represented by the potty mouthed little inadequate who calls himself Cheshire Ben? Are you personally happy with the impression he gives the outside world of your own stance DMD?

Prick, what makes you think I'm anything to do with CTWD. Do you know if I'm even a member?

****.

 

[TygerTyger]

Only an idiot would think he spoke for me.

Anyway, rather than this sillyness, what about using the thread for its purpose and giving your view on why you think the name change is a good thing?

Ok, so we can agree on a view on Ben, that's good.

I have previously given my view on the name change. I'll dig it out and re-post it on here for you (but it'll have to wait until tomorrow). Then perhaps we can have a mature discussion about what we agree on and what we don't. Dialogue has to be the way forward, though I doubt AA will now enter into any, which is a shame. Compromise could help us all.

 

[DMD]

Ok, so we can agree on a view on Ben, that's good.

I have previously given my view on the name change. I'll dig it out and re-post it on here for you (but it'll have to wait until tomorrow). Then perhaps we can have a mature discussion about what we agree on and what we don't. Dialogue has to be the way forward, though I doubt AA will now enter into any, which is a shame. Compromise could help us all.

I didn't say we agreed on Ben.

I'm happy to have a sensible chat, but you really should drop the faux, smug, patronising act, you're not up to it.

The positions are quite simple...do you agree with the name change to Hull Tigers. The answer is either yes, or no as that is all that's on offer.

 

[TygerTyger]

You're as poor at patronising as you are at debate.

All the reasoned arguments were 4-6 months ago, all from those against the name change. There has been none delivered for the change by AA or his disciples because there isn't a reasonable argument for changing the club's name. They are on the threads prior to this one that was instigated by the disciples when they realised they were on looking rather foolish on may threads.

The disciples subsequently took it upon themselves, when they realised they had no argument, to alter the agenda & attempt to make the debate an anti AA discussion, completely without foundation or relevance.

All reasoned discussion has been done. Can you not see how posting a link three times in six hours is desperate.

You ****.

Not when it changes, are you struggling to read it?

Perhaps if you had listened when you were at school, (you did go to school didn't you?) instead of writing a list of all the rude words you know, you would understand that.

 

[Fez]

Give your head a shake - that's the daftest post I have seen on this topic and there is hot competition.

 

[TygerTyger]

Prick, what makes you think I'm anything to do with CTWD. Do you know if I'm even a member?

****.

No, and I'm sure they will be delighted if you are not. Besides, I suppose the £2 membership would represent a large proportion of your pocket money.

 

[Fez]

I have no complaint with CTWD, are they represented by the potty mouthed little inadequate who calls himself Cheshire Ben? Are you personally happy with the impression he gives the outside world of your own stance DMD?

No.