5 pens

Yes sure.

 

I don't think anyone would be mad enough to suggest bias on national tv as it would end them up in court. We definitely had the rub of the green today with a couple of mistakes (different from bias**) but Stoke only have themselves to blame. If I was a Stoke fan I'd be livid with Whelan. The first yellow was harsh but silly of him to get involved and kick the ball away. The second booking was plain stupid. Fouling from the side and behind is a yellow all day long these days. Williamson should have been penalised for the handball and play brought back.

On the ball being out before the second goal - I'm not sure. I think it was a lot closer than it looked as the whole ball has to be over the line and not just the bits touching the ground. Just as it always looks like the ball is outside the quadrant at every corner these days (looking worse when you're looking down from above), I think the linesman may have judged that the very edge of the ball was still in but looked out when looking down at it. So not sure on that one.

**Mistakes are what you get with bad refereeing. Bias is what you think you get when you have cheesy chips on the shoulder and tin foil on your head.

Edit: They were the better team by all accounts before the reds so not claiming it was a world-beating performance

 

Just for clarity and to pander to the mackems This was the ref from today...

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Yes yes very funny – I don't think that's quite what Shearer said was it?

He basically said the first booking for Whelan was harsh, but to be fair the lad didn't help himself what with kicking the ball away and then 'squaring up' to Cabaye.
Willo's was a handball before the leveller but in fairness the pen should have been tucked away anyway. Oh yeah and giving that most likely only makes the score 4-1.

For the other incident how Robbie Savage can say the whole of the ball was definitely out of play from that angle or expect the linesman to spot it full-speed is incredible. He can't, but still did.
The truth is we don't know and you play to the whistle.

The ref did his bit for Sunderland today too with just a blatant a handball for an Everton penalty waved away. Sometimes you get them sometimes you don't.

We got a typical referee shafting from Howard Webb against Swansea recently so if there's any lingering doubts we'll accept today as an FA apology!

 

Loved how Shearer made a point of saying how dominant Everton were today.

 

it's a conspiracy, I'll tell yer

 

I knaa Marra. And it was Lucan who distracted the ref anarl like marrow.

 

I think 5-1 says it all, we deserved to win and the tackle on Haidara should definitely have been a red!

 

Thought the ref was spot on, kicking the ball away is a booking and kicking a player with no intent of getting the ball is a bookable/sending off offence, pulling the striker down in the box a penalty and last man means he had to go.

Stoke did them selves no favours what so ever and got punished for ill disipline. Thought we were unlucky with the Shawcross Cabaye penalty shout but evens up for Willos handball. As for the second goal being out of play? I was under the impression the whole of the ball had to cross all of the line.

 

The ref actually denied us a blatant 2nd penalty, and failed to book/send off a couple of Everton players for a couple of dreadful fouls which MOTD failed to even show. As for the so called handball, it does not even warrant a comment..

 

CORRECT. No one can call that ball out in the same way they can't call it in, that's the point. The angle shown on MOTD will always look out because it doesn't show the edge of the ball.
It's also academic as it isn't the view the linesman had and is in slow motion...

Unfortunately you have to assume the official saw it but believed it to still be in play.

To be fair at this point we are only arguing about the semantics of just how heavy our scoreline was, nothing more.

 

Yes sure, Stoke were by far the better side,

What was the score again?

Oh yes yes, 5-1. Seem to remember that score from 31-10-10.

 

The first sending off was coming after the players actions and behaviour after a booking for kicking away the ball, actions not shown by tv. The only surprise was that he was stupid enough to foul Cabaye so quickly. The second sending off was nailed on.
The handball by Williamson was a lucky break for us and tough on Stoke as we broke and scored but then it didn't appear to be intentional and we all know not all of them are given and by then down to nine men Stoke were heading for defeat anyway, never going close to scoring after that.
A lot was made of the Ben Arfa possible ball over the line incident but the angle of the tv cameras didn't give a conclusive view so it was surprising that the pundits made so much of it. I believe we scored three times after that. Something Stoke were not going to do all game. Tv also failed to show our other very strong penalty claims, most fans feeling that the ref took sympathy on Stoke by then.
No doubting that we were not good enough early on and Stoke deserved to lead, or that the sending offs changed the game. Sadly for Stoke those incidents were of their own making though so they have no one to blame but themselves. A type of play not new to those of us who have seen teams managed by Mr Hughes before.

 

5-1.... 5-1...... Now 5-1 reminds me of something.... Just can't quite place it....

 

The Halloween derby?

 

Well that maybe, but Everton fans will see it completely flipped the other way.

Look if you want to acknowledge a handball not given OUTSIDE the box for Stoke, but ignore the one for Everton INSIDE the box that's fine. But they were both clear as day.

The only difference is you choose not to see it, you're biased to Sunderland. I wouldn't expect you to be anything else.

But if it had happened down the other end with a result riding on it you'd be calling handball and penalty all night long...

 

Oh, that's it.

 

Gus threatens small kid over copyright infringement

 

I see we're in sixth , where are Sunderland? Just got in and haven't seen yet.

 

I would say there were 4 stonewall pens but only two were given. The push on Cabaye and another foul on, can't remember who, might have been Ben Arfa.