How long should Spurs fans be banned for?

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What annoys me most is all the people now rabbiting on about investigating 'official safety' during matches - talk about hopping on the latest bandwagon.

This has nothing to do with just official safety and everything to do with general safety. Lets not single out the officials; anyone could have been hit.

I thought smoke/flares were banned anyway? Shouldn't have been in the ground. Instead of looking at official safety, why not look at the stewards' incompetence?
 
Foredeckdave said:
The 'fan' who threw the smoke-bomb should be banned for life from ALL Premiership grounds. Sounds harsh? GOOD!

It's a stupid thing to do to take either a smoke bomb or a flare into a crowded area. It's even more stupid to start throwing such devices around.

Then you have to take into account that this device hit an official. That official had his back to the crowd and therefore could not see the object coming or take evasive action. If the assault on the official is not dealt with harshly then there is an argument regarding the penalty that some other 'fan' may face who deliberately targeted an official.

Matters not if he was a Redman, a Bitter, a Spud, it's just too dangerous to countenance.
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^ This

It's an idiotic act, that appears to have become popular again in recent months, there was always going to be an incident which lead to a crackdown & fortunately it's been one where no-one was hurt.
 
Tobes said:
^ This

It's an idiotic act, that appears to have become popular again in recent months, there was always going to be an incident which lead to a crackdown & fortunately it's been one where no-one was hurt.
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I'd make a joke about us agreeing but this is too serious.

I saw a guy who'd burnt his hand setting off a hand-held phosphorous marine signal flare and it was not a pretty sight. Flares and smoke signals are dangerous even in the environment they were designed for and used by trained individuals.
 
bow4fowler said:
If this was Liverpool we would get slaughtered for this.

The BBC would feel the need to add that Luis Suarez got an eight game ban for racially abusing Evra recently, a ten game ban for biting Ivanovich, handled the ball against Mansfield and 'dived' against Argentina for whatever reason.

However it is Spurs.
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Fixed the fix. :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
bow4fowler said:
If this was Liverpool we would get slaughtered for this.

The BBC would feel the need to add that Luis Suarez got an eight game ban for racially abusing Evra recently, for whatever reason.

However it is Spurs.
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the thing is our fans have been getting away scott free with this for quite a bit of time. our away fans have been bringing flares in and frankly letting them off, last saturday included. I can't believe teams are not having all of our fans searched on their way in etc.

honestly eventually nanny state or no someone is going to get badly burned by this stuff.... so fun and all its the clubs rep that this is playing with.

we'll see what happens with spurs.
 
Flares and smoke bombs look brilliant IMO. Looks like one idiot is going to ruin it for everyone else now.
 
Tobes said:
^ This

It's an idiotic act, that appears to have become popular again in recent months, there was always going to be an incident which lead to a crackdown & fortunately it's been one where no-one was hurt.
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Foredeckdave said:
I'd make a joke about us agreeing but this is too serious.

I saw a guy who'd burnt his hand setting off a hand-held phosphorous marine signal flare and it was not a pretty sight. Flares and smoke signals are dangerous even in the environment they were designed for and used by trained individuals.
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<yikes>

Oh ****... earth is about to explode!!!
 
Phuck me, go on holiday (still on holiday thanks) and we have threads with Tobes and Dave agreeing with each other!

#theendisneigh
 
Sisu said:
Not if you are in a cloud of smoke it doesn't
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Which is why it's not going to work in England. In other parts of Europe, especially in Eastern Europe, one stand is usually designated for Ultras or supporters who know the risks involved (smoke, flares, etc). Tickets are purchased before every game and seating plans don't really apply in this stand. Standing only despite the seats being installed - the seats in the terraced rows prevent crushes (albeit this could be improved). No children or women stand here, they're on the other stands where it's a more relaxed, family atmosphere. That way all fans get to see and enjoy the flares and yet no one gets a face full of smoke that doesn't want it.

In England the seats are assigned for a year and you get a mixed crowd - half tourists/women/children/families and you can't really do anything of the sort as it could potentially hurt them no matter where you do it.
 
danilo. this is why there's so much trouble in europe.. well italy and such places.

you've allowed guys to basically run the show, gain power and create mobs... queue racism, stabbings violence, fascism and all sorts going on. unitl the "ultras" are actually stamped out football will be going the wrong way in italy.

again if people want to enjoy flares then get the club to install pyros and make it wwe.

Flares are a nonsense and as i really only care about LFC i'll say it again. eventually some lfc fan will get in big trouble over these and i am shocked (but not surprised) that most teams seem to be too cheap to search our fans on the way in as punishment.

eventually someone is going to realize at an FA level and a directive will come down where all away day fans are inconvenienced by searches prior to games. (more than now)
 
District Line said:
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If there's any truth to this then no ban for me.

Far too often in this nanny state we go down the Thatcher route of zero tolerance. Why wreck a persons life over one mistake which may have been an accident?
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Sounds like bullshit to me. Watching the video of it, you can clearly see it was thrown overarm. Also there isn't "loads of smoke" from the area it get's thrown from which doesn't tie in with the story at all. You can see once it get's thrown down on the pitch, as soon as it hits him even more smoke comes out, if that had been the case from the previous throw then you'd see more smoke from the original area, and you'd also see a trail that it leaves behind.

I don't understand why anyone would bring them to games anyway, all it does is stop you/others from seeing what's going on... how is that helping create an atmosphere?
 
bow4fowler said:
If this was Liverpool we would get slaughtered for this.

The BBC would feel the need to add that Luis Suarez got an eight game ban for racially abusing Evra recently, for whatever reason.

However it is Spurs.
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to be fair, aren't they already being done for racially abusing themselves?
 
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