If any of us "working-class" folks had done what the McCanns had done,we would have been locked-up,and would have had the twins taken into care,and rightly so.How come the McCanns have got away with this??
o/t crimewatch
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Well if it was my bairn I'd be hysterical with rage.
I certainly would not have been able to sit there cool as a cucumber.
You'd imagine she'd want to help the investigation on any way she could without incriminating herself?
If indeed she has owt to be incriminated for & I'm not for one moment suggesting she has.
That said though, as others have already said, there's just something not right about this couple.
My thoughts have never changed since day one.
They sedated her to get her to sleep so they could go out, returned to.find her dead, knew they'd lose the other two and go to jail potentially they decided to cover it up.
One thing i haven't seen mentioned. Maddies favourite cuddly toy, Kate McCann put it through the washing machine. This is the last thing a parent would do, unless of course you were trying to cover something up like blood for instance.
Police dogs got the death smell in the apartment and traces of blood and smell were found in the boot of the car.
They sedated her to get her to sleep so they could go out, returned to.find her dead, knew they'd lose the other two and go to jail potentially they decided to cover it up.
One thing i haven't seen mentioned. Maddies favourite cuddly toy, Kate McCann put it through the washing machine. This is the last thing a parent would do, unless of course you were trying to cover something up like blood for instance.
Police dogs got the death smell in the apartment and traces of blood and smell were found in the boot of the car.
Defo think there's something wrong with them. But her questions were designed to incriminate her not help find the little girl. If any evidence was still with forensics, one single Item, then her brief will have advised the no comment interview until a time that the police can present their evidence. Just the way it works.
Fail are just being the Fail. If they did some proper investigative journalism instead of trying to bend standard procedure to make them look bad (probably because they don't give a **** about the child and more interest in selling pages like the twats they are) then the might find something on them. cause there's something fishy about them.
Interesting theory. Got a link to info about that evidence fella. I'd like to read more.
Aye me anarl but I do agree with him on the washing the toy thing.
Had it been me I'd have wanted to hug owt that smelled of my bairn.
Don't look too much into that mate. I reckon they would have been acting on legal advice.
The 'elite Scotland Yard detective' and Crimewatch made themselves look idiotic last night.
The 'suspect' was described as a man of average build and appearance anywhere between the ages of 20 and 40. This is their two witnesses who were together at the time of the sighting!
The star witnesses wouldn't be able to identify the suspect or have anything admissible in court.
The main Irish witness had been out drinking and initially told the Portuguese police he thought it was Gerry McCann.
He subsequently said the man, despite being of average size & appearance and wearing ordinary clothing 'looked nothing like a tourist'.
He claims the child was in a deep sleep despite not being able to see her face. He reckons the man could've been up to 35 years old while his daughter says he could be as young as 20.
He later made a statement to the Irish police where he said the man was around 40.
He also said in that statement, "I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child."
If that's the most reliable witness they have then they're clearly struggling.
This 'sighting' was built up, all day on the news channels, as 'startling new evidence' when it was anything but, in reality it's an old sighting that was reported at the time.
Yet the detective kept talking about 'a moment of revelation' etc when he was actually referring to the fact than another earlier sighting by someone, who had claimed the girl looked just like Madeline, was incorrect.
We were expected to be shocked that witnesses saw 'a man with blond hair' in the footwell of the apartment block a week before the abduction.
Imagine that, a man seen near an apartment block, with numerous flats, in a holiday resort!
All of this was bad enough but then we find out just how poor this 'new evidence' actually is. It was suggested the police believe that what may have happened is that a burglar was disturbed by a dopey 3 year old.
So he does what any burglar would do ..... strangles the girl and carries the body through the streets of a holiday resort where there are CCTV and people taking holiday snaps.
He manages to do all this without being spotted or leaving a single shred of forensic evidence at the scene of the crime.
I know Crimewatch is highly regarded by some people but last night was sensationalist nonsense.
Among other Crimewatch misrepresentations is the fact that the 'friend', Matthew Oldfield, who they claim went to check on the McCann children didn't actually do that.
He claims, in his police statement, that he left the table, walked to the apartment block, went in, found the McCann's flat, entered and found the bedroom. He then claims he looked in and saw the twins, couldn't see the girls bed but just assumed she'd be all right. From the reconstruction, last night, and the floor plan published by the Sunday Times, that can't be true. *It was a square room and impossible to see one bed and not the other.
It seems to me that, after being asked to mount an incredibly costly investigation by the prime minister, the British police are clutching at some very flimsy straws.
They asked for, and were given the Portuguese police files, and are now under pressure to justify the lack of faith in the original investigation.
I seriously doubt if this amount of manpower and money would be given to every similar disappearance so why in this case?
I find it staggering that the British police have a 6 man team in Portugal!
As has been suggested, the McCann's had absolutely everything to lose if they were shown to have sedated a child who later died.
They would possibly lose their other children, even if this was on a temporary basis, the respect of their village, family, friends, colleagues etc and probably be struck off the medical register.
That would mean the end of their comfortable lifestyle, the big house and the BMW's as well as their holidays and tennis lessons.
All for the sake of spending a few quid on the babysitting service.
* http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041660/Pictured-The-bedroom-Madeleine-McCann-met-fate.html
The 'suspect' was described as a man of average build and appearance anywhere between the ages of 20 and 40. This is their two witnesses who were together at the time of the sighting!
The star witnesses wouldn't be able to identify the suspect or have anything admissible in court.
The main Irish witness had been out drinking and initially told the Portuguese police he thought it was Gerry McCann.
He subsequently said the man, despite being of average size & appearance and wearing ordinary clothing 'looked nothing like a tourist'.
He claims the child was in a deep sleep despite not being able to see her face. He reckons the man could've been up to 35 years old while his daughter says he could be as young as 20.
He later made a statement to the Irish police where he said the man was around 40.
He also said in that statement, "I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child."
If that's the most reliable witness they have then they're clearly struggling.
This 'sighting' was built up, all day on the news channels, as 'startling new evidence' when it was anything but, in reality it's an old sighting that was reported at the time.
Yet the detective kept talking about 'a moment of revelation' etc when he was actually referring to the fact than another earlier sighting by someone, who had claimed the girl looked just like Madeline, was incorrect.
We were expected to be shocked that witnesses saw 'a man with blond hair' in the footwell of the apartment block a week before the abduction.
Imagine that, a man seen near an apartment block, with numerous flats, in a holiday resort!
All of this was bad enough but then we find out just how poor this 'new evidence' actually is. It was suggested the police believe that what may have happened is that a burglar was disturbed by a dopey 3 year old.
So he does what any burglar would do ..... strangles the girl and carries the body through the streets of a holiday resort where there are CCTV and people taking holiday snaps.
He manages to do all this without being spotted or leaving a single shred of forensic evidence at the scene of the crime.
I know Crimewatch is highly regarded by some people but last night was sensationalist nonsense.
Among other Crimewatch misrepresentations is the fact that the 'friend', Matthew Oldfield, who they claim went to check on the McCann children didn't actually do that.
He claims, in his police statement, that he left the table, walked to the apartment block, went in, found the McCann's flat, entered and found the bedroom. He then claims he looked in and saw the twins, couldn't see the girls bed but just assumed she'd be all right. From the reconstruction, last night, and the floor plan published by the Sunday Times, that can't be true. *It was a square room and impossible to see one bed and not the other.
It seems to me that, after being asked to mount an incredibly costly investigation by the prime minister, the British police are clutching at some very flimsy straws.
They asked for, and were given the Portuguese police files, and are now under pressure to justify the lack of faith in the original investigation.
I seriously doubt if this amount of manpower and money would be given to every similar disappearance so why in this case?
I find it staggering that the British police have a 6 man team in Portugal!
As has been suggested, the McCann's had absolutely everything to lose if they were shown to have sedated a child who later died.
They would possibly lose their other children, even if this was on a temporary basis, the respect of their village, family, friends, colleagues etc and probably be struck off the medical register.
That would mean the end of their comfortable lifestyle, the big house and the BMW's as well as their holidays and tennis lessons.
All for the sake of spending a few quid on the babysitting service.
* http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041660/Pictured-The-bedroom-Madeleine-McCann-met-fate.html
I know what you're saying Bri...but, I have 2 kids, when they were young if one of them went missing and the local police wanted to question me..I would tell them all I knew straight away, I would think that the more they knew at an early stage would help get my kid back...to have a lawyer tell you to say nothing...when you have alledgedly done nothing wrong..just doesn't sit right with me.
It's this kind of thing that makes people uneasy with the McCanns.
I remember the very first 'on the street' interview Gerry McCann gave to the media which, I think, was on the day after after she vanished.
It was night time and he was struggling to read a prepared statement with a torch.
I thought at the time how weird that was when all he was doing was asking for people to come forward if they'd seen anything.
They showed that on Crimewatch again last night and I thought it still looked quite unnatural for a father who you'd imagine was in some distress.
As with putting the girls favourite doll through the washing machine, not enough to suspect murder but enough to make you look sideways.
That`s the bottom line imo. It`s easy for any of us who have kids to jump to conclusions but for me there`s that `something not right`, that `niggle at the back of the mind` kind of thing that`s difficult to shift.
There`s a very good point made by Parker that I hadn`t even considered, ie medication.
The equation :
parents + drink + overdone sedation = ?
Jeez, I`m going down a whole new thought path now and it`s not nice.
I've always believed the kids were sedated.
It wouldn't need an overdose ..... jsimply a child who's just been rushed home, fed and shunted off to bed, so the parents can make their 'dinner date', choking in her sleep 'cos she can't wake up.
It's certainly strange, to say the least, that the twins were still asleep when the police turned up.
They'd apparently slept through all the commotion of 'hysterical' parents, the entire 'drinking group' stomping around searching the flat etc.
I've always thought that the McCanns would've thought that the gentle sedation of their children, while they went out on the piss, would be better than the alternative.
Kate McCann admitted last night that Madeline had asked why she had woken up alone and cried for quite some time the previous night.
Would they have left the girl alone, with the flat unlocked, if there was a chance of her waking up and going out to find them?
After all, they would've no doubt told her that 'mummy & daddy' were just across the way at the bar as usual.
Adds more weight to the sedation theory if she woke up crying the previous night, they upped her dosage so she wouldn't wake up that night.
I find it difficult to look objectively at this as I have a 3 year old daughter myself, but, if my legal advice told me not to answer questions on her after she had been kidnapped - I'd sack the ****ing legal advice and tell the police everything. What kind of parent refuses to answer questions on their young daughter being kidnapped on the advice of a legal professional? Suspect or not, you do everything you can to get the child back and to try to speed up the process. That's why I'm very suspicious of the McCann family and what happened - have thought the same as Parker for a while
Over-sedation can cause epileptic seizure Bobby, which can cause severe trauma like uncontrollable body hurls and the likes. Anybody that has seen someone in an epileptic seizure will know what I mean..
