Racist comments to CH

[Erik]

I can tell Erik is going to go down a storm on here.

Why? I obviously don't agree with someone going on Facebook and calling random black people '******' or a 'wog'. I also don't agree with people of any colour trying to stifle legitimate conversation on certain race-related topics by screaming 'RACIST!' at anyone who tries to start one. It is unhealthy and does far more harm than good.

 

[Resurgam]

I, like every other poster on here, deplore racist abuse in all it's forms and I hope that this one particular idiot will be found and dealt with. All football clubs have their share of idiot fans and our club is no exception. What I will say is that this does not reflect the views of all Ipswich fans!

A genuine question I would like to ask though is that in this age of multi-culturism and so called 'colour blindess', why is it acceptable to have organisations called 'The Black Police Officers' association for example? Why should skin colour even be used to define a particular organisation or group in this way? Is this not an example of why multi-culturalism in this country is just a myth? There would be a huge public outcry if there ever was to be a 'White Police Officers' Association and quite rightly so!

Add to that the Black lawyers as well JWM. Their spokesman is certainly getting a fair bit of exposure recently.

 

[JKCanary]

A genuine question I would like to ask though is that in this age of multi-culturism and so called 'colour blindess', why is it acceptable to have organisations called 'The Black Police Officers' association for example? Why should skin colour even be used to define a particular organisation or group in this way? Is this not an example of why multi-culturalism in this country is just a myth? There would be a huge public outcry if there ever was to be a 'White Police Officers' Association and quite rightly so!

How will we ever be able to fully integrate as a society?

Incredibly difficult to answer that fully. It depends how much you buy into the notion that certain socioeconomic groups are disadvantaged by historical events, and to to what extent.
Some would argue positive discrimination/affirmative action is necessary as we have not yet reached a good enough standard of equality as a society .

 

[JKCanary]

Why? I obviously don't agree with someone going on Facebook and calling random black people '******' or a 'wog'. I also don't agree with people of any colour trying to stifle legitimate conversation on certain race-related topics by screaming 'RACIST!' at anyone who tries to start one. It is unhealthy and does far more harm than good.

Erik, I'm sure you don't at all condone the comment on facebook.

I'm just a little troubled by you saying your advice to someone preferring not to be referred to as 'coloured' being to tell them to "grow a pair".

 

[Erik]

It depends how much you buy into the notion that certain socioeconomic groups are disadvantaged by historical events, and to to what extent

Blacks in the UK are immigrants who came here willingly. They are not, as in the US, freed slaves. How often have you met a Jew who got turned down for a job and blamed Nazism or the Holocaust? How often have you met an Indian on benefits who blamed the British Raj? None. It's always the same culprits playing the victim, and it makes me both angry at and sorry for them.

Some would argue positive discrimination/affirmative action is necessary as we have not yet reached a good enough standard of equality as a society

Maybe the problem is pretending that a) everyone is the same, be they a native Briton, a third-generation Persian Muslim or a Congolese straight off the [definitely not banana because that would be racist] boat, and b) that there are equal numbers of these ethnic groups (some say this is 'judging by London Rules')

Erik, I'm sure you don't at all condone the comment on facebook at all.

I'm just a little troubled by you saying your advice to someone preferring not to be referred to as 'coloured' being to tell them to "grow a pair"

It irks me that a black man can sit there and say how horrible it is that his ancestors were slaves, and in the next moan about some old biddy using the word 'coloured'. Maybe 'grow a pair' was a poor choice of words. Try, 'get a sense of ****ing perspective'. Actually, I'd throw 'grow a pair' in there too. It simply isn't offensive.

 

[wellyblue]

Jeez, the Ipswich lot have it right, we really don't need any help turning against ourselves. How did a thread that started with everyone in universal condemnation of something end in us potentially losing two members a dozen posts later?

I would hope that in the cold light of day both Gandy and Rob would reconsider, both add to the colour and character of this forum in their own unique ways, and Gandy is obviously a top bloke too, it would be a shame to see either of them leave.

 

[johnnywarksmoustache]

Incredibly difficult to answer that fully. It depends how much you buy into the notion that certain socioeconomic groups are disadvantaged by historical events, and to to what extent.
Some would argue positive discrimination/affirmative action is necessary as we have not yet reached a good enough standard of equality as a society .

Isn't the whole point though that all forms of discrimination should be outlawed if we are to live in a genuinely harmonious society? Surely groups that reinforce the skin colour, ethnicity or sexual orientation of a group of individuals work's against what we are trying to achieve as a wider society! We don't have a 'hetrosexual police officers association' so why should there be a 'gay and lesbian police officers association'? Why if we all want equality should we allow any group to highlight difference?

 

[Bath-Canary]

Isn't the whole point though that all forms of discrimination should be outlawed if we are to live in a genuinely harmonious society? Surely groups that reinforce the skin colour, ethnicity or sexual orientation of a group of individuals work's against what we are trying to achieve as a wider society! We don't have a 'hetrosexual police officers association' so why should there be a 'gay and lesbian police officers association'? Why if we all want equality should we allow any group to highlight difference?

I would say the assumption is that due to the upper ranks of most police forces being straight, Middle class White men, the opinions and requirement of this groups are already well, if not over, represented.

 

[JKCanary]

Blacks in the UK are immigrants who came here willingly. They are not, as in the US, freed slaves. How often have you met a Jew who got turned down for a job and blamed Nazism or the Holocaust? How often have you met an Indian on benefits who blamed the British Raj? None. It's always the same culprits playing the victim, and it makes me both angry at and sorry for them.

I understand your point here, but I can't really agree or disagree as I cannot say that I truly can relate to what a black/gay/transgender/handicapped etc. person has had to go through during their life. I consider myself extremely privileged and have pretty much every opportunity to make myself successful.

 

[Erik]

I understand your point here, but I can't really agree or disagree as I cannot say that I truly can relate to what a black/gay/transgender/handicapped etc. person has had to go through during their life. I consider myself extremely privileged and have pretty much every opportunity to make myself successful

Transgenders repulse me. I never want to meet one, I never want to even see one. I don't care much for what they have to go through.

 

[Erik]

Isn't the whole point though that all forms of discrimination should be outlawed if we are to live in a genuinely harmonious society? Surely groups that reinforce the skin colour, ethnicity or sexual orientation of a group of individuals work's against what we are trying to achieve as a wider society! We don't have a 'hetrosexual police officers association' so why should there be a 'gay and lesbian police officers association'? Why if we all want equality should we allow any group to highlight difference?

Johnny, you're being so naive. Haven't you realised that to those who are critical of a group/race/etc, we're all the same. To those who delude themselves with notions of sameness and equality, we're all 'diverse'... It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad...

 

[johnnywarksmoustache]

I would say the assumption is that due to the upper ranks of most police forces being straight, Middle class White men, the opinions and requirement of this groups are already well, if not over, represented.

So is this group less deserving than others? Do you see what I'm trying to get at here? It does feel that if you are a straight, middle class, white man in this country, you are made to feel guilty and bad about being so! I remember Greg Dyke's infamous comments when he became DG at the BBC when he said that 'the BBC was hideously White and middle class!' Surely comments like this are not at all helpful and if we want to see genuine equality we must provide ALL people with equal opportunities and not seek to divide people into stereo typical groups.

 

[Toby]

Three or four years ago I was the same as you (and I'm only 23).

Is it really racist to say that you feel disconnected from your national team because so many players are black? Maybe, but I feel like that, and frankly I don't care what people think. I've watched the U-21s in the past few years and seen England sides with 6, 7, 8+ black players, and thought, "what the **** has happened here?". Look at Mo Farah - he's black, he was born in Ethiopia, and his parents are Ethiopian, but anyone who dares say he's not really British gets slaughtered. Some people think of being 'English' or 'British' as simply happening to be born on land under the control of the English or British government, or come out with such crap as "well as long as he feels British..." It works both ways though: look at that Chris Birchall bloke who played for Trinidad and Tobago. He's blonde, white, was born and raised in Staffordshire and his parents are English, but because his mum happened to be born in Trinidad, he played against England in the 2006 World Cup. What bollocks. I belong to the group who think of people ethnically. Why is there anything wrong with that?

If I were to ask you to describe the German people, you wouldn't say, "oh, they're such a multicultural society; there are black Germans and Turkish Germans and white Germans". You'd probably say they're blonde haired and good at penalties. So why is it different for your own country? Why the need to insist that the Labour party's social engineering is one of the world's Good Things? Why beat about the bush and avoid giving your opinions on people? I've always found that Sikhs and Hindus slot perfectly into British society, but that areas with large black or Muslim populations are 'no-goes'. I've met far fewer black people than most, on account of my location, and yet they've all seemed to fit the stereotypes: I've been randomly violently assaulted by blacks (ABH in the middle of the street) for no reason other than being white; I've an old black schoolmate who's served time for dealing crack; I've a female friend whose kid is mixed and whose dad has ****ed off to London and contributes nothing towards her. Then when you add to that the government's own statistics about how much more likely black males are to rob, thieve, burgle, rape, murder... Is it any wonder people don't want to sit next to them on the bus or generally have anything to do with them? I understand that individuals are different, but I'm a human being. In the back of my mind, I'm making assumptions about people I see out of the corner of my eye. So if I see a couple of black guys walking towards me one night, I'm going to cross the road. It's only natural.

I can't believe I just read that drivel coming from you Erik, I thought you were smarter than that.

 

[Erik]

I can't believe I just read that drivel coming from you Erik, I thought you were smarter than that.

Piss off and die, Toby

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[ManDingo 20"/20"]

Transgenders repulse me. I never want to meet one, I never want to even see one. I don't care much for what they have to go through.

Pffft.

News to me.

 

[JKCanary]

I can't believe I just read that drivel coming from you Erik, I thought you were smarter than that.

Good grief, I missed that post from Erik. there was me trying to have a reasonable debate with him too.

 

[Bath-Canary]

So is this group less deserving than others? Do you see what I'm trying to get at here? It does feel that if you are a straight, middle class, white man in this country, you are made to feel guilty and bad about being so! I remember Greg Dyke's infamous comments when he became DG at the BBC when he said that 'the BBC was hideously White and middle class!' Surely comments like this are not at all helpful and if we want to see genuine equality we must provide ALL people with equal opportunities and not seek to divide people into stereo typical groups.

Tbh i wasn't really commenting on wether that was a good thing or not, just why I perceive there isn't a "white police officers club". I wasn't saying they were less deserving just that there are lots of them making decisions already so there is no need for a "white police officers" group because they already run the thing. The argument against is that in reality these people are never acting solely in the interest of white people or straight people as they could never get away with it. Maybe questions do need to be asked about wether the police should be thinking in terms of a black officer and a white officers.

 

[Erik]

Good grief, I missed that post from Erik. there was me trying to have a reasonable debate with him too.

Nothing wrong whatsoever with that post. All truth

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[Captain Holland]

Transgenders repulse me. I never want to meet one, I never want to even see one. I don't care much for what they have to go through.

Wow,

You seem absolutely charming.

Tell me why do you think homophobic and transgender abuse is ok?

Actually don't bother it won't make any sense.

 

[Erik]

Wow,

You seem absolutely charming.

Tell me why do you think homophobic and transgender abuse is ok?

Actually don't bother it won't make any sense.

Nothing wrong with gay people whatsoever, though I try and avoid the really fruity ones.

Transgenders, on the other hand, are an abomination. Tell me why you think they're OK?

Actually, don't bother. It won't make any sense.