In that case, using your logic, we can conclude that Suarez is no good. Dang, if only we'd bought Sakho we'd be near the trophies like Liverpool.
The ones in bold... please, get real. The others are all also top notch and Koscielny is in that bracket with them.
Agreed, the lads got all you require and more to be not only a top defender but a top (world class) player!
Number one, have you ever looked at Suarez's career stats? maybe you should take a look! Number two, have I said Liverpool will win anything this season or that our CB partnership is in the top of europes? NO Number three, your team has shipped the same amount of goals as all three promoted teams so far this season! you do the math
All are either captains of their country, regulars for their country (before retiring themselevs), regular league winners, world cup and European cup winers, CL and Europa Cup winners, all have contributed to the success of their teams, your lad, who's good, helped arsenal to the 2nd best defence trophy and 4th place trophy last year, sure his grand kids will love hearing the story of the 2012/13 season.
Its all great keeping clean sheets against mid table rubbish at home but when it comes to big games Arsenal's defence always finds a way to implode. Your defence is ****e and make vital mistakes in big games. That's why you never win anything, and yes, your defence is 'shabby'. Btw, your defence is horrendous.
This is a poor argument, what a player wins is all down to the team he plays for not how good a player he is.
I guess you could get a few free loaders in some teams, but these players have "contributed" to their respectives teams succes and at one stage were/still are world class.
From my own team, John O`Shea, Wes Brown, they have many medals/titles between them. They were not freeloaders, they performed for the team but were never world class. As i pointed out, there are others who were world class who played for poorer teams who have nothing to show for it. A players medals are not the way to judge him.
Well if you can't do it on results then you have to do it on stats! see link below http://eplindex.com/24736/defensive-error-prone-players-premier-league-stats-comparison.html Verm and sagna both in the top error prone players list (leading to goals) for last season, notice also Riena and Skrtel in the same list
Your definition of a currently top class centre back is anyone who was ever a regular for their country or has won trophies? In that case lets change our transfer targets to John O'Shea, Bobby Moore, Steve Bruce, Tony Adams and Toto Schillaci. RVP - never won a trophy at Arsenal, must have been rubbish Bale - never won a meaningful trophy at Spurs, must have been rubbish
We dropped him. Hasn't played a game for months. Is about to get chopped as captain as well if rumours are to be believed. Solid backup though.
Not at all, the fact that they won something, which after all is something they are paid to achieve and who knows, with a bit of ambition, would want to win anyway, is an added bonus to compliment their undoubted talent/ability. Anyway, anyone can twist anything anyone may say, I'm just saying that in MY OPINION, your chap, whilst being good, is in MY OPINION not top 5 defender material, far from it!
