Billy

[fatletiss]

It's hardly like Billy is going to need to get food stamps if he goes on to 75% wages (as rumoured that would be 15k a week rather than 20k). Sorry, but my sympathy valve gets switched off when we're talking those figures.

I nearly put something similar myself LTL, but then I thought about my own situation. I live to my means, so how would I feel if I had to change jobs either within a company or to a new one and I had to take a pay cut... I'd have to make some changes, so may not be so keen.

 

[pass the football]

Sharp's wages won't be reduced, the argument is over whether or not we should pay his wages when he is playing for another team. If other teams offer 75% it means we would still have to pay 25%.

 

[fatletiss]

Sharp's wages won't be reduced, the argument is over whether or not we should pay his wages when he is playing for another team. If other teams offer 75% it means we would still have to pay 25%.

and that's the bit that I am very uncomfortable with.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Sharp's wages won't be reduced, the argument is over whether or not we should pay his wages when he is playing for another team. If other teams offer 75% it means we would still have to pay 25%.

But to push through the move, he could agree to only take the 75%, or 15k.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I nearly put something similar myself LTL, but then I thought about my own situation. I live to my means, so how would I feel if I had to change jobs either within a company or to a new one and I had to take a pay cut... I'd have to make some changes, so may not be so keen.

Sure, but adjustment becomes rather more bearable at those figures, particularly if you *want* to be playing.

 

[pass the football]

But to push through the move, he could agree to only take the 75%, or 15k.

I guess he could. I don't think that's a likely outcome though and it's certainly not something we are pressuring him to do.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I guess he could. I don't think that's a likely outcome though and it's certainly not something we are pressuring him to do.

But he should be proactive if he wants to play and further his career. The onus shouldn't be on the club.

 

[fatletiss]

Sure, but adjustment becomes rather more bearable at those figures, particularly if you *want* to be playing.

Yes of course, I agree entirely. I'm sure I'd find it a little harder to adjust on my figures.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

Tbf...we don't know what he is doing. Perhaps he is being unreasonable, perhaps Cortese is....mmm, I wonder

 

[CBK]

A reminder that it was Saints (Cortese) who gave him the wages he's on and the length of contract. It's also Saints who have told him he's not good enough for us now and to find another club... yet I understand that clubs have made offers for both full and loan transfers but Saints have refused more of those offers than were ever passed onto Billy.

There is room for movement on both sides regarding wages/loan fee etc etc, but it does seem that unless you creep round Cortese almost begging him to either let you go/terminate contract then he likes to play "Dog in the Manger" with some players.

Question is, this "playing god" is it in the benefit of SFC? Or is it ego playing too big a part?

 

[fatletiss]

A reminder that it was Saints (Cortese) who gave him the wages he's on and the length of contract. It's also Saints who have told him he's not good enough for us now and to find another club... yet I understand that clubs have made offers for both full and loan transfers but Saints have refused more of those offers than were ever passed onto Billy.

There is room for movement on both sides regarding wages/loan fee etc etc, but it does seem that unless you creep round Cortese almost begging him to either let you go/terminate contract then he likes to play "Dog in the Manger" with some players.

Question is, this "playing god" is it in the benefit of SFC? Or is it ego playing too big a part?

This could be so CBK and wouldn't be particularly nice. Have you heard what sort of fees were offered for the full transfers?

 

[pass the football]

I think maybe this discussion would be better had if after the loan window has closed, he is still here. There just isn't any evidence right now that he is being mistreated or that offers are being refused callously.

 

[rabbitspectrum]

A reminder that it was Saints (Cortese) who gave him the wages he's on and the length of contract. It's also Saints who have told him he's not good enough for us now and to find another club... yet I understand that clubs have made offers for both full and loan transfers but Saints have refused more of those offers than were ever passed onto Billy.

There is room for movement on both sides regarding wages/loan fee etc etc, but it does seem that unless you creep round Cortese almost begging him to either let you go/terminate contract then he likes to play "Dog in the Manger" with some players.

Question is, this "playing god" is it in the benefit of SFC? Or is it ego playing too big a part?

The only dangers are it pisses off current players that their mate is being mistreated and we are also losing money. Cortese would have an excellent grasp of both so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

Billy should have been assisted to move on as soon as we decided that we didn't need him. Having him on full wages must have cost us more than subsidising his move. Is there some issue that we don't know about. Time spent on this saga is time wasted for both sides.

 

[Beef]

This could be so CBK and wouldn't be particularly nice. Have you heard what sort of fees were offered for the full transfers?

None his wages are scaring everyone off. Sheff Wednesday wanted only to pay 50% of his wages.(loan deal)

 

[Beef]

Billy should have been assisted to move on as soon as we decided that we didn't need him. Having him on full wages must have cost us more than subsidising his move. Is there some issue that we don't know about. Time spent on this saga is time wasted for both sides.

Well unlike Chaplow Billy hasn't tried to get his contract cancelled.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

If we can't shift him, surely 75% of wages is worth accepting. Didn't we get 1 million for his season long loan. Can't remember where I heard that.

 

[Beef]

If we can't shift him, surely 75% of wages is worth accepting. Didn't we get 1 million for his season long loan. Can't remember where I heard that.

Yeah of Forest only because Sharp's pal O'Driscoll was in charge. Soon as he was sacked Billy Davies hardly played him. Problem is we want him gone completely but he isn't interested in a wage drop.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

Probably feels hard done by...we can all cut off our nose to spite our face!

 

[Puck]

If someone's offering to pay 75% of his wages we should take that. As CBK says, the club should pay (or top up) his wages because we agreed to pay them when he signed his contract. The wages have obviously gone up now but the club must have known that was likely to happen. You can argue with the likes of Barnard or Forte that a double promotion seemed unlikely so the swift double wage rise was unexpected but Sharp was brought in to consolidate our position at the top of the Championship. Promotion was expected.

He came in, earned his pay rise by doing the job he was asked to do very well and was then told he was no longer wanted so why should he take a pay cut? He has a family to provide for and we're talking someone on £15k-20k a week, not someone on £150k-£200k a week. Obviously that's far more than the rest of us get paid but this is his chance to set his family up for life. Why should he walk away from that?

I think most clubs subsidise wages when unwanted senior players go out on loan to smaller clubs - I doubt Cardiff were paying Craig Bellamy's full wages in the Championship, Spurs didn't pay all Adebayor's wages when he went there on loan - so why shouldn't we do the same? I also don't see how it benefits the club to pay him 100% of his wages to do nothing for us when we could pay him 25% to do nothing for us and get him in the shop window at the same time.