Nothing would make me happier than if the club were to get Dein back and together they turned it all around over the next season, but sadly, I think we have gone too far down the slippery slope now.
Wenger - No longer the right man?
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Nothing would make me happier than if the club were to get Dein back and together they turned it all around over the next season, but sadly, I think we have gone too far down the slippery slope now.
I hear you
and I think he's been operating with one hand behind his back. If there's one thing Wenger has always been consistent on is not criticising his players / club / board in public. But I would love to be a fly on the wall in the living room round at David Dein's house - he and Wenger are neighbours - because I would bet in private he shares a lot of the same feelings as the fans.I still maintain that he's one of the best coaches that there is, the bloke has had major success at Arsenal AND steered us into the CL every season during the board's sell off of our best players. Should he have stood up to the board if he didn't agree with what they were doing ? As I said, he'd never do it in public. His media interviews irk me, and blaming the media etc are silly excuses.
But I do not think that Wenger is the problem.
The problem for him though is that he will take the flak for the boards ineptitude.
Nothing would make me happier than if the club were to get Dein back and together they turned it all around over the next season, but sadly, I think we have gone too far down the slippery slope now.
David Dein recently said that he is 'on the subs bench' when it comes to working at Arsenal again. So it's clear that he'd like to have a role again. I'd hoped that when PHW stepped down it might offer a chance for him to come back into the fold, because he is needed. I truly believe that if he were to work with Wenger again, they could work their magic again at Arsenal.
I hear you
I still maintain that he's one of the best coaches that there is, the bloke has had major success at Arsenal AND steered us into the CL every season during the board's sell off of our best players. Should he have stood up to the board if he didn't agree with what they were doing ? As I said, he'd never do it in public. His media interviews irk me, and blaming the media etc are silly excuses.
But I do not think that Wenger is the problem.
The problem for him though is that he will take the flak for the boards ineptitude.
He needs to speak up and prove that he is not the guilty party because from where I am sitting he is.
I want to love the bloke, but he is making it impossible
I'm not a staunch Wenger in/Wenger out man but what I do know is that if we were to bring in a new manager it would take some time before he he got us into a position to challenge.
You can't underestimate the pressure a new man would be under nor can you underestimate the impact it would have on our better players who joined the club because they bought in to AW and his ideals.
There is no instant fix, how long would any new man get ?
I really don't want us becoming another City/Chelsea and change managers regularly.
There's plenty wrong with our team, but the stability we've have for the past 17 years is a plus in many areas...
You can't underestimate the pressure a new man would be under nor can you underestimate the impact it would have on our better players who joined the club because they bought in to AW and his ideals.
There is no instant fix, how long would any new man get ?
I really don't want us becoming another City/Chelsea and change managers regularly.
There's plenty wrong with our team, but the stability we've have for the past 17 years is a plus in many areas...
The problem with that thinking is that if AW is the cause of our predicament, the longer he is left in situ, the worse it will get.
We need to take it on the chin and replace him asap imho.
Look, all of the good managers are always in a struggle with the heads of the club to pressure them to get the players and resources they need to compete, whereas Wenger is always the chief apologist for not buying new players by overrating our current squad. There's absolutely no way you can remove him from the equation. Even if he believes he is still restricted by the board, he is still liable for not trying to change things, as the need for improvement to compete is clear.
I really think there's an element of personal pride here, also. He has been talking the "building our squad", "doing it our way" angle for so long that going another way would probably mean an admission of failure for him. This much is clear to me from his interviews (which I pretty much never miss) throughout the years.
Now that it's gone "public" that we want to take a step forward, there are no more excuses of repeating the same failed policies year after year.
I really think there's an element of personal pride here, also. He has been talking the "building our squad", "doing it our way" angle for so long that going another way would probably mean an admission of failure for him. This much is clear to me from his interviews (which I pretty much never miss) throughout the years.
Now that it's gone "public" that we want to take a step forward, there are no more excuses of repeating the same failed policies year after year.
A good insight into this attitude is there to see in the RVP transfer .
He kept saying tha a big club doesnt sell its best players ,let alone to its rivals.
When that sale then happens , If he has made that decision then he is entirely to blame .
If he has NOT made that choice but has bowed to pressure from the board in an effort to get the most cash .
Then he should have had the balls to say to them "look , sell him to someone else or dont let him go at all , because if he goes to a main rival , im off too ."
If his bluff was called and he ended up walking it would have been
a) the best thing .
b ) he would have had far more respect from fans who would have understood him sticking to his principles rather than be walked over.
as it turned out he lost all credibility over that fiasco.
For me anyway that was the last straw.
After that he just came across as weak .
So by not putting his job on the line to disagree with his employers over the decision to take 25m instead of nothing a season later, he has somehow lost respect? How many managers have ever stood down over an individual transfer? Seems completely over the top to me.
Wenger didn't want to sell Nasri or RVP, the board made the decisions. In private i am sure he will have faught his case but ultimately the decisions where made. He can't be blamed for other people at the club not letting him do things.
Wenger didn't want to sell Nasri or RVP, the board made the decisions. In private i am sure he will have faught his case but ultimately the decisions where made. He can't be blamed for other people at the club not letting him do things.
you are crackers , managers and boards fall out all the time , and they part ways over differences of direction of team .
The difference with Arsene is hes too nice to tell em to stick it.
He could have left with some dignity , which is the opposite of what will be the case if things continue to slide .,believe me
and yet he just bent over and let them lube him up , ...not a word.
a good way to lose any respect you have built up.
He ALSO knew that Judas going to Manure would DIRECTLY affect us .
He accepted that too without walking .
Is that integrity , is that having respect for Arsenal ?
Sometimes you have to do whats right , not whats best for the bank balance.
Its not as if hes some 3rd division manager who is short of a few bob , hes made a lot of money , and he could walk into a hundred struggling clubs im sure .
If anyone can afford to make a point . its him .
he chose to keep schtum and carry on .
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I agree managers and boards fall out and i think at times Wenger will have had incredibly heated exchanges. But i still think it would be a big over-reaction to stand down over RVP being sold. It's clear that Wenger has been very annoyed at losing the players we have over the last few years, but he doesn't have to make some heroic stand and lose his job because a decision doesn't go his way.
I'm sure in private he will have disagreed with them and argued plenty, but not in public (as that is the way he conducts himself). If you think he just agrees with everything without a word you must be mad. He is very stubborn.
You'd be happier if he publicaly argued with the club and allowed the mediato have a field day with it. Which is not the professional way to conduct yourself.
You'd be happier if he publicaly argued with the club and allowed the mediato have a field day with it. Which is not the professional way to conduct yourself.
I think you should keep Whinger as he is doing well... No signings this window for Arsehole...
I prey he stay's.. take a look at your neighbours spending and i suspect more to be spent well bale Bails out!!
Enjoy your season that will almost certainly be trophy less
I prey he stay's.. take a look at your neighbours spending and i suspect more to be spent well bale Bails out!!
Enjoy your season that will almost certainly be trophy less
I think you should keep Whinger as he is doing well... No signings this window for Arsehole...
I prey he stay's.. take a look at your neighbours spending and i suspect more to be spent well bale Bails out!!
Enjoy your season that will almost certainly be trophy less
Another mentally challenged individual on day release from the asylum. Seems a lot of them these days, I blame austerity cutbacks.
Either that or they're scouse. What cracks me up is none of them are able to construct a sentence.