Big Sam 8th -a bit contraversial but i get where you are coming from as to what he has achieved in the past
Where's Poch?
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Big Sam 8th -a bit contraversial but i get where you are coming from as to what he has achieved in the past
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Can't stand him and wouldn't really want him here at all, but he's achieved a fair bit, especially during his time at Bolton.
Note that no list that has AVB in even the top ten should be taken seriously. Wherever he finishes, then this is where Harry Redknapp is too, as it is his team, and AVB has not finished as high as Harry did with it, and infact Harry didn't finish lower than AVB with it. Add to that that any manager with Bale in his team would finish there or thereabouts.
Pochettino basically can't be judged, as we only saw him last season with Nigel's team - I'd say anything in the top 7 for him is rose-tinted glasses and bias dreaming.
Sorry, realise that those thoughts - while not putting my own league placing - is somewhat anti the spirit of the thing!
So even though he had the highest points total of a Spurs side in PL history he is still level with Redknapp?
Mourinho, Wenger & Moyes would be my top 3 based premier league achievement over a sustained period.
Pellegrini stands on his own as he has done great things in Spain but yet to start in this country.
My bottom three would be Hughes, Pardew and Allardyce.
Big Sam is in there as I just don't like his style of football and whilst it may keep teams up comfortably it won't take you beyond that and he represents a footballing dinosaur who holds this countries game back.
Jol is decent, Holloway and Bruce ok. Di Canio yet to be seriously tested at this level.
All the rest I think are pretty talented younger managers with various levels of experience and have big seasons ahead of them for their future careers.
My personal choice as the best from that group would be Steve Clarke
Strangely, I had managed to wipe from my mind the realisation that Holloway is back in the PL. I find him annoying, though am willing to concede that he is a 'character' and a decent manager. Wenger is a good manager, but seems to have some blind spot when forging a club together. Unless he is successful this year, Arsenal will surely lose patience with him. Moyes was a great manager at Everton, though the jury is out on how he will cope with a post-Ferguson Manchester United. Still best three managers (for me) are Mourinho, Moyes and Wenger.
Note that no list that has AVB in even the top ten should be taken seriously. Wherever he finishes, then this is where Harry Redknapp is too, as it is his team, and AVB has not finished as high as Harry did with it, and infact Harry didn't finish lower than AVB with it. Add to that that any manager with Bale in his team would finish there or thereabouts.
Pochettino basically can't be judged, as we only saw him last season with Nigel's team - I'd say anything in the top 7 for him is rose-tinted glasses and bias dreaming.
Sorry, realise that those thoughts - while not putting my own league placing - is somewhat anti the spirit of the thing!
Some interesting thoughts though. It assumes a manager is only as good as the team he has. Would it not be true to say that if you or I managed Manchester United for a season we would be lucky to finish in the top half of the table? Similarly, a manager coming in and replacing Harry is capable of great things. It's what he can draw out of the players in the motivational sense, and out of the team tactically. Isn't this why Pochettino has won so many admirers? He has used basically the same team as Nigel had but they now ooze confidence and he has them playing a style of football which is the envy of many of our closest rivals.
1. Jose Mourinho
2. Arsene Wenger
3. Manuel Pellegrini
4. David Moyes
5. Andre Villas-Boas
6. Michael Laudrup
7. Brendan Rodgers
8. Roberto Martinez
9. Steve Clarke
10. Alan Pardew
11. Mauricio Pochettino
12. Sam Allardyce
13. Paul Lambert
14. Chris Hughton
15. Ian Holloway
16. Martin Jol
17. Paulo Di Canio
18. Malky Mackay
19. Mark Hughes
20. Steve Bruce
Probably be a bit different if i was completely un-biased, tried to put feeling aside. Very suprrised people are putting MP so highly, really has not done much yet, pretty good at Espanyol and had half a season in the prem. But i cant talk, really Sam Allardyce should be higher been successful everywhere, just couldnt put myself to do it.
2. Arsene Wenger
3. Manuel Pellegrini
4. David Moyes
5. Andre Villas-Boas
6. Michael Laudrup
7. Brendan Rodgers
8. Roberto Martinez
9. Steve Clarke
10. Alan Pardew
11. Mauricio Pochettino
12. Sam Allardyce
13. Paul Lambert
14. Chris Hughton
15. Ian Holloway
16. Martin Jol
17. Paulo Di Canio
18. Malky Mackay
19. Mark Hughes
20. Steve Bruce
Probably be a bit different if i was completely un-biased, tried to put feeling aside. Very suprrised people are putting MP so highly, really has not done much yet, pretty good at Espanyol and had half a season in the prem. But i cant talk, really Sam Allardyce should be higher been successful everywhere, just couldnt put myself to do it.
While the rest of you are just throwing names at a wall, I have developed a highly scientific means of evaluating manager competence, and as it turns out Poch wins rather handily. The full list:
Mauricio Pochettino
Paulo Di Canio
Manuel Pellegrini
Jose Mourinho
Michael Laudrup
Andre Villas Boas
Roberto Martinez
Ian Holloway
Arsene Wenger
David Moyes
Steve Bruce
Alan Pardew
Steve Clarke
Paul Lambert
Sam Allardyce
Brendan Rodgers
Martin Jol
Mark Hughes
Malky Mackay
Chris Hughton
Mauricio Pochettino
Paulo Di Canio
Manuel Pellegrini
Jose Mourinho
Michael Laudrup
Andre Villas Boas
Roberto Martinez
Ian Holloway
Arsene Wenger
David Moyes
Steve Bruce
Alan Pardew
Steve Clarke
Paul Lambert
Sam Allardyce
Brendan Rodgers
Martin Jol
Mark Hughes
Malky Mackay
Chris Hughton
Yep. It was the only quantifiable category I could think of where Poch stood head-and-shoulders above the rest, and thus it's clearly the most important measure of a manager's worth.
Fran's attractiveness scale works too (though I'd still put Mourinho and AVB ahead of him).
Too subjective; you can probably separate five or six of them from the pack, but then it's a matter of taste.
Plus, Laudrup wins easily.
You guys just love Poch because he is foreign (must be good according to media hype) and he is good looking.
Must be why I loved Nigel, as well; he's foreign (well, for me) and looks like a particularly cheerful accountant.