Suarez News (#ONTOPIC)

[BBFs Unpopular View]

You won the CL the same season we won the FA Cup so not sure why Liverpool fans keep throwing it in as a trophy won during our trophyless period. So you have had 1 CL final the same as us in that time. You have been in 1 more cup final than us in that time period and won an FA Cup the year after our last trophy and then a penalty win against cardiff in the league cup a year ago. We also had a year we should of won the league.

During this period we where competing against the mega rich clubs, and financing a new stadium - we made a profit on transfer dealings which goes to show we just didn't have money to throw around and had to work within our means. So to maintain CL football and top 4 status (Only Utd have managed to do this along with us) get close to a handful of trophies and findourselves in a position where we now have a top stadium and facilities and a financial basis to compete now with the big boys is a fantastic achievment.

So i'd say we have done very well - but for the odd decision or bit of luck we would have a decent trophy hall - such are the fine lines in football.

As for Wenger Vs Brendan - don't be daft. So because he has been at Liverpool for one season he cannot be compared to any manager who has been at there club longer than that? Wenger is a proven world class manager second only in success to Ferguson in the PL era, Rodgers is not. Any club in the world wouldchoose Wenger over Rodgers, so rather than belittling the comparion id just agree if i where you

Rodgers is only really starting out, Wenger at it a long time, its certainly a lame comparison, he's also at the same club for a long time. Rodgers is only getting to grips with managing a PL season and the Liverpool club, if you can't see the lameosity of comparing them then I can't help you

And I refer to the CL because I am saying "since arsenal last won a trophy" I thought the CL final came after the FA Cup final, not "trophyless years" You must pay more attention or at least it was a poor attempt to remove the CL win from the debate. I deem the former, lack of attention to whats being posted

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Wenger has won more in his time at Arsenal than Liverpool as a club have won in the last 20-25 years so i wouldn't say he's that bad at winning trophies

And like i say - football is fine lines and but for the odd different decision or bit of luck we would have a decent trophy haul over that time period.

Thats a terrible come-back to my point by the way. So your basically agreeing that Wigan are currently a superior team to City,Arsenal and Liverpool?

You need to read back, I think it's not only your keyboard that's broken m8, I already made comment on that as you already said it and here you are saying the same thing again, you are basically running yourself round in circles

You say Liverpool are inferior, but Liverpool win more, it doesn't add up, sorry

 

[Dubbed The New Wenger]

You had Van Persie who scored 30 league goals one season and you won **** all. Before that you had Adebayor who scored 24 league goals and you won **** all and before him you had Henry who scored 27 league goals in 05-06. Scoring goals hasn't been your problem, your failings have all been at the other end of the pitch, yet Wenger is neglecting them again and is trying to spend his whole summer & budget chasing after a guy that you don't particularly need and a guy that we don't want to sell. Madness, but its typical Wenger.

Yeah. Our problems have been the defence even though Arsenal had the 2nd best defensive record in the league last year. Great call.
And fyi we need a striker of Suarez qualities. If you watched Arsenal last season, we had major issues with our attack as it was predicable.

All in all, what you've posted was pure drivel. But one can assume it's the grief that's talking, so you're excused.

 

[afcftw]

Mate trying to chuck in the CL win from the same season as our FA Cup win because you think the date was probably a week later despite the competition being run in the same season is you making an attempt to improve your side of the argument falsely. Not the other way round you donut rofl

 

[afcftw]

@sisu (again lol) - what are you on about i need to read back? that was a reply to someone else not you... you clearly need to pay more attention and read properly not me buddy

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Yeah. Our problems have been the defence even though Arsenal had the 2nd best defensive record in the league last year. Great call.
And fyi we need a striker of Suarez qualities. If you watched Arsenal last season, we had major issues with our attack as it was predicable.

All in all, what you've posted was pure drivel. But one can assume it's the grief that's talking, so you're excused.

You went out of the CL through terrible defending, sorry what were you saying?


Maybe you can explain why you think a club who wins less than another club is better than the club that wins more trophies? cos your fellow supporter is in a tangle

 

[astro]

Wenger has won more in his time at Arsenal than Liverpool as a club have won in the last 20-25 years so i wouldn't say he's that bad at winning trophies

And like i say - football is fine lines and but for the odd different decision or bit of luck we would have a decent trophy haul over that time period.

Thats a terrible come-back to my point by the way. So your basically agreeing that Wigan are currently a superior team to City,Arsenal and Liverpool?

No, because for Wigan it is a one off event. At Liverpool even when we haven't had enough quality to challange for the league we have continued to pick up trophies, including a 5th european cup which is one of the greatest events in all of sport and massively inspirational and enjoyable.

Wenger has been found out. His good tactics have been adopted by everyone else but he hasn't moved on himself. His philosophy of rebuilding the team with technical players has failed. Ever since he began this project of his, Arsenal have been a failure in every possible way, except the balance sheet.

 

[kph103]

Although wenger has been a great manager for arsenal,esp in the earlier years, I think his stubbornness to pay over the odds in transfers and wages and rely on relatively unknown players has had a detrimental effect . There is little doubt that his teams,in general,play the best football in the league (until now anyway ) but just think what he could have done if he had signed some top rated players,don't think you would have gone so long without winning something.
I really don't care if Suarez goes to arsenal or not but I just cannot see wenger going that extra mile (or pound) to secure him.

 

[afcftw]

God your logic is so stupid Sisu - you must be on the wind up - i cant genuinely believe your that stupid.

Your whole "Liverpool win more so you cant say we are inferior lols" based on winning a league cup against Cardiff on penalties is just ludicrous - please stop basing all your arguments on this point its ridiculous.

 

[Sharpe*]

Well this is fun.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

"wenger has won more in his time at Arsenal than Liverpool as a club have won in the last 20-25 years"

wow the ignorance is astounding

Here's arsenal's win record under wenger.

FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup (4): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05
FA Community Shield (4): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

seeing you are STUPID enough to give me 25 years

Last league 1989–90

FA Cup (3) 1992, 2001, 2006
League Cup (4) 1995, 2001, 2003, 2012
FA Community Shield 1990*, 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League 2005
UEFA Cup 2001
UEFA Super Cup 2001, 2005

Not to retract from arsenal's wonderful league titls in the period of 2001 to 2004 where the team was marvelous to watch and we all i think enjoyed it BUT....

I'll take LFC's record. ....

I just want to point out the sheer arrogance and ignorance at play... I mean wh owould ever take you seriously?

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

No, because for Wigan it is a one off event. At Liverpool even when we haven't had enough quality to challange for the league we have continued to pick up trophies, including a 5th european cup which is one of the greatest events in all of sport and massively inspirational and enjoyable.

Wenger has been found out. His good tactics have been adopted. His philosophy of rebuilding the team with technical players has failed. Ever since he began this project of him, Arsenal have been a failure in every possible way, except the balance sheet.

I already explained some posts ago that it was a one off and fair play to wigan but it is what it is, he forgot and came back with the same comment again

 

[Enricky.]

Why do you lot keep covering old ground?

'We're bigger than you, nope we're bigger than you'

As much as we don't want to admit it Liverpool fans, Arsenal ARE bigger than us at the moment, maybe not big enough for Suarez but that's our opinion. Suarez should be playing for a CL team, whether that's Arsenal or not is another matter. I just hope we **** Suarez off for as much as we can, and hopefully we'll invest it wisely.

 

[Dubbed The New Wenger]

Now I KNOW that you are truly an idiot when you make a comment like "some kind of re-evaluation of property price in london is completely deluded!"

Sonny it's way past your bedtime!

Yeah. Throw insults when you get bettered in a discussion. You then have the cheek to talk to him as if he's a child.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

"wenger has won more in his time at Arsenal than Liverpool as a club have won in the last 20-25 years"

wow the ignorance is astounding

Here's arsenal's win record under wenger.

FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
FA Cup (4): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05
FA Community Shield (4): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

seeing you are STUPID enough to give me 25 years

Last league 1989–90

FA Cup (3) 1992, 2001, 2006
League Cup (4) 1995, 2001, 2003, 2012
FA Community Shield 1990*, 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League 2005
UEFA Cup 2001
UEFA Super Cup 2001, 2005

Not to retract from arsenal's wonderful league titls in the period of 2001 to 2004 where the team was marvelous to watch and we all i think enjoyed it BUT....

I'll take LFC's record. ....

I just want to point out the sheer arrogance and ignorance at play... I mean wh owould ever take you seriously?

Cheers, Was thinking that but hadn't the stamina to pull up the stats

 

[afcftw]

@astro -

Even though you havent had the quality to challenge for the league you have kept picking up trophies? Really? Other than the FA Cup win the season after our last trophy all you have picked up is a league cup against cardiff - are you seriously using this as an argument for you continuing to pick up trophies? Your league cup win was as random as Wigans FA Cup win - so please tell me - are Wigan currently superior to City, Liverpool and Arsenal since they have won a bigger trophy more recently? Or is that logic actually flawed?

 

[afcftw]

@kph - the money just hasnt been there to spend previously - now it is and we will see some spent i think

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Why do you lot keep covering old ground?

'We're bigger than you, nope we're bigger than you'

As much as we don't want to admit it Liverpool fans, Arsenal ARE bigger than us at the moment, maybe not big enough for Suarez but that's our opinion. Suarez should be playing for a CL team, whether that's Arsenal or not is another matter. I just hope we **** Suarez off for as much as we can, and hopefully we'll invest it wisely.

These particular Arsenal fans forgot they don't win trophies and have gotten used to thinking 4th or 3rd place is a trophy. I'm not a fan of delusion. And these arsenal fans keep running around in circles to try avoid the simple fact that they don't win anything and therefor try avoid having their illusions shattered

 

[afcftw]

@sisu -god your ****ing stupid. I was replying to someone else not you. Someone elses logic from someones elses post. I fail to see how you commenting on it means im stupid and cant read - i simply wasnt talking to you. You fool. Please pay more attention.

 

[Dubbed The New Wenger]

You went out of the CL through terrible defending, sorry what were you saying?


Maybe you can explain why you think a club who wins less than another club is better than the club that wins more trophies? cos your fellow supporter is in a tangle

Oh my God. What has the defensive record in the Prem to do with the Champions League?

I just have issue with guys blindly throwing around the "they can't defend" line when Arsenal had the second best defensive record. Ignorance and arrogance is a dangerous combo.
Guys who clearly have no clue about what they're talking about come out authoritatively with laughable statements.