Mboyo

[Steven Toast]

You can't make excuses for him. Plus, this is the biggest load of **** I've read on this board.

Yeah alright that paragraph isn't the best example. I did say it was an extreme scenario. You're right, I can't really make excuses for him because I don't really know all the facts of the case, only what's reported in the media, but I can take a viewpoint in how I percieve people who have committed such crimes in their past and comment on their place in our current society.

 

[rovertiger]

I am now 59yrs old and have 4 older sisters and me Dad always drummed it into me that you never harm women or kids in any shape or form. I know times are different now to when I was 16, but the principal is the same no matter what era we are in.


You'd kill him if it was your daughter...

what would you do if he was your son?



If it had happened to my daughter and I got my hands on him before the Police he'd have known about it. I never said i'd kill him!!!

If he was my son, i'd give him a good beating then hand him to the Police and let him take what was handed to him. Then, because he was my son, i'd stand by him. He'd know he would have to live with the stigma of being a rapist for the rest of his life.

 

[FILEYseadog]

Sign him and i will be watching Scarborough in the coming season

Though as OLM says it wont happen

 

[Steven Toast]

I am now 59yrs old and have 4 older sisters and me Dad always drummed it into me that you never harm women or kids in any shape or form. I know times are different now to when I was 16, but the principal is the same no matter what era we are in.


You'd kill him if it was your daughter...

what would you do if he was your son?



If it had happened to my daughter and I got my hands on him before the Police he'd have known about it. I never said i'd kill him!!!

If he was my son, i'd give him a good beating then hand him to the Police and let him take what was handed to him. Then, because he was my son, i'd stand by him. He'd know he would have to live with the stigma of being a rapist for the rest of his life.

You're absolutely right about what your Dad taught you, those are the values that I've always lived by, but that's defined by our social paradigms, not by those in the DR of Congo, which is vastly different.

 

[rovertiger]

You're absolutely right about what your Dad taught you, those are the values that I've always lived by, but that's defined by our social paradigms, not by those in the DR of Congo, which is vastly different.

I can see what you're trying to say but he still commited an horrendous crime and I for one don't want to see him wearing the shirt of the Club I love.

Lets agree to disagree shall we?

 

[originallambrettaman]

You're absolutely right about what your Dad taught you, those are the values that I've always lived by, but that's defined by our social paradigms, not by those in the DR of Congo, which is vastly different.

They may be, but the offence was committed in Belgium, he went to prison in Belgium and all the others involved were Belgian.

 

[SuitedandBooted]

Tommy tiger why don't you take your bleeding heart namby pamby liberalism and shove it up your arse, there's a good lad!

 

[Steven Toast]

I can see what you're trying to say but he still commited an horrendous crime and I for one don't want to see him wearing the shirt of the Club I love.

Lets agree to disagree shall we?

Sounds good. I love a good debate me.

 

[TygerTyger]

They may be, but the offence was committed in Belgium, he went to prison in Belgium and all the others involved were Belgian.

But possibly all part of a Congolese "gang". Can I also point out to the "Hang 'em High" brigade that at 14 even if she had initiated the sex, it would be regarded as statutory rape. So it's possible that she did initiate it and the lads all got done. I don't know the detail of the case and I suspect nobody else on here does either.

And before you tell me that girls of that age don't do that sort of thing, we've just seen a 30 year old teacher get 5 years in this country for an act that the girl admitted in court she initiated. If he had been 16 at the time, the court view would have been the same, but would you have given him 5 years?

Not sure I would want him as a player, but I'd want to know more about what happened before I'd damn him for an eternity.

 

[SuitedandBooted]

But possibly all part of a Congolese "gang". Can I also point out to the "Hang 'em High" brigade that at 14 even if she had initiated the sex, it would be regarded as statutory rape. So it's possible that she did initiate it and the lads all got done. I don't know the detail of the case and I suspect nobody else on here does either.

And before you tell me that girls of that age don't do that sort of thing, we've just seen a 30 year old teacher get 5 years in this country for an act that the girl admitted in court she initiated. If he had been 16 at the time, the court view would have been the same, but would you have given him 5 years?

Not sure I would want him as a player, but I'd want to know more about what happened before I'd damn him for an eternity.

A child cannot initiate anything when an adults involved, they are children, do you not get that?

 

[Amin Arrears]

I wouldn't say everyone deserves a second chance, but those who show remorse for their crime, and turn their lives around do. Especially those who commit crimes as a child, there's a reason criminal records are wiped at the age of 18 over here.

Personally I couldn't give a **** if he raped my mrs every night if he scored goals and kept Hull City up for a few seasons. So long as his giant black cock didn't stretch her of course, shed be pretty useless then.

 

[Steven Toast]

Tommy tiger why don't you take your bleeding heart namby pamby liberalism and shove it up your arse, there's a good lad!

****ing hell, what a contribution that was. If that was any less well constructed it'd have a Skoda badge on it.

A child cannot initiate anything when an adults involved, they are children, do you not get that?

It depends on which viewpoint you take. By law, a person is an adult at 18. That means that if a young girl that's 17 years and 364 days old tries it on with an 18 year old bloke, he goes to prison, regardless of who initiated it. By the time I was 15, I had my own opinions of the world, was going out with my friends and doing lots of stuff that people older than me, technically adults, were doing. I once went to White Room when I was 16 and got ratarsed. I was ill for a few days and my Dad wanted to storm in there are demand why they were serving underage people. I told him not to; it was my fault that I was in there (and Spiders) and I had to accept the consequences. I was still legally a child, but it doesn't absolve me of the blame does it? Saying somebody is a child doesn't completely remove them of blame, it simply makes the punishment for the offender more severe.

As Tyger said, in the case with the teacher, he went along with it, knowing the consequences, so he rightly should go to prison. The girl also knew the stakes, but willingly went along with it. She wasn't held against her will, she wasn't a prisoner, she actively wanted to be with him and wants to continue the relationship after he gets out (which I highly doubt will happen). She's as much to blame as he is because she knew she was getting him into trouble but sacked the risk off because she was 'happy'. Silly girl.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Surely not? Some crimes ARE unforgivable!!

Dont want his sort at the club. You can relax though as i dont see him being a Hull City player.

 

[chien]

To even try and have a debate on here regarding crimes of this nature is fooking ludacris and as its clear this thread is going nowhere but down hill, Arhh the joys of anomonity!

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

How the hell can you side with a gang rapist of a 14 year old? Would you turn the other cheek if, god forbid, it had been your daughter?
If it'd been my child i'd be the one doing time!!

100% agreed. The Police would be picking that person up in pieces as well.

Sign him and i will be watching Scarborough in the coming season

North Ferriby for me. But we can all relax on where he plays. It wont be here.

 

[Steven Toast]

To even try and have a debate on here regarding crimes of this nature is fooking ludacris and as its clear this thread is going nowhere but down hill, Arhh the joys of anomonity!

Again, not debating the crime. Let's be clear on that. Rape = Crime. Crime = Bad. Bad = Not Good.

The debate is about....actually I'm not sure what it's moved onto. Oh right. Age defining responsibility.

 

[SuitedandBooted]

Tommy tiger why don't you take your bleeding heart namby pamby liberalism and shove it up your arse, there's a good lad!

****ing hell, what a contribution that was. If that was any less well constructed it'd have a Skoda badge on it.

A child cannot initiate anything when an adults involved, they are children, do you not get that?

It depends on which viewpoint you take. By law, a person is an adult at 18. That means that if a young girl that's 17 years and 364 days old tries it on with an 18 year old bloke, he goes to prison, regardless of who initiated it. By the time I was 15, I had my own opinions of the world, was going out with my friends and doing lots of stuff that people older than me, technically adults, were doing. I once went to White Room when I was 16 and got ratarsed. I was ill for a few days and my Dad wanted to storm in there are demand why they were serving underage people. I told him not to; it was my fault that I was in there (and Spiders) and I had to accept the consequences. I was still legally a child, but it doesn't absolve me of the blame does it? Saying somebody is a child doesn't completely remove them of blame, it simply makes the punishment for the offender more severe.

As Tyger said, in the case with the teacher, he went along with it, knowing the consequences, so he rightly should go to prison. The girl also knew the stakes, but willingly went along with it. She wasn't held against her will, she wasn't a prisoner, she actively wanted to be with him and wants to continue the relationship after he gets out (which I highly doubt will happen). She's as much to blame as he is because she knew she was getting him into trouble but sacked the risk off because she was 'happy'. Silly girl.

A child is as much to blame as the adult? Are you for ****ing real?

 

[Steven Toast]

A child is as much to blame as the adult? Are you for ****ing real?

Right, again, you've completely missed the point. I'm trying to say that age is being used as a scapegoat. As I said, a person who's 17 years 364 days old who lusts after an 18 year old is the one in the wrong, but it's the younger person that would get away with it, even if the 17 year old was completely responsible. It's wrong for the 18 year old to agree to anything, but it doesn't make it right not to put some of the blame on the girl, especially when she openly admitted to agreeing and consenting to it. Nobody forced her, she has her own free will.

There are some 15 year old people out there who are much, much smarter than some 18 year olds. People grow up and mature at different ages. Just because somebody is a child, doesn't absolve them of blame. It can't. Young people are capable of doing most of things an adult can, it's just that they're not old enough to do them legally.

http://listverse.com/2011/05/14/top-10-young-killers/

I'd like to see you explain how and why the murders committed by these young people were accidents, or the fault of the person killed. The Colombine disaster, while at the time the two perpatrators were just 18, the planning of it was months of their obsessive work, which started way before they were legally adults. Or perhaps you've forgotten about the James Bulger case (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/bulger/1.html); the two killers were just 11 years old, but Robert Thompson was quoted as saying "All little boys are nice until they get older..."

But yeah, I'm sure somebody else was to blame for all that stuff. Young people aren't capable of doing bad things of their own free will are they?

 

[lewisc29]

Yeah alright that paragraph isn't the best example. I did say it was an extreme scenario. You're right, I can't really make excuses for him because I don't really know all the facts of the case, only what's reported in the media, but I can take a viewpoint in how I percieve people who have committed such crimes in their past and comment on their place in our current society.

I totally agree, everyone deserves a second chance and to be able to live a normal life after making a "mistake". But I don't think trying to make excuses, or justifying his actions is the same.

 

[TygerTyger]

A child cannot initiate anything when an adults involved, they are children, do you not get that?

And he was 16. Possibly little more than a year older and under the influence of a "gang". We don't know what happened. I won't judge either way until I do. Do you not understand that?