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moreinjuredthanowen said:
for me there is no plan for him, nor alberto. where do they fit? i see bench warming only and further i can only see suso on loan and owning going (i hope) to make any of it work... sterling and ibe to be out in the cold with these guys i guess.

why would he be a first choice?
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So don't take this wrong; genuine question. Are you suggesting its all been for show: assemble a transfer committee, including buying scouts off another team & then just rush out and buy players at random with no plan in how those players will fit into existing squad or future plans.

Are they simply doing all this fast, to avoid the criticism of last summer. In other words pretend to be organised & have a plan?

It seems like a lot of effort, as much effort as actually having a plan flawed or not. Maybe I've misunderstood you.
 
no i am not saying that. I took the question as to where does he fit into the plan as where does he fit into the first 11 and i don;t see him fitting in there. I said he'd be on the bench and by buying him others must go out on loan or get sold to make it work... further i can see the two kids mentioned as not being in the same position in the queue to get a chance.

in short if you spent 8mil on alberto he is 20 and a player to maybe compete with coutinho then one or the other is on the bench... and the same for aspas or this guy?

I am only commenting on why a guy for 3mil is going to be first team especially if henry ryan turns up too... at 23mil he's going to be first choice. thats all, no asperisions on the plan, merely that he should be another assaidi punt. its someone who might be great but might be bad too. coming from porto is a higher level than assaidi came from.
 
cos he is ****e... have you not cottoned onto this yet? by the time messi chews him up and spits him out he'll be another david villa... ex-world class player... plus he's never survive a wet midweek away to stoke...
 
Fair enough M.

A 50/50 success failure rate for transfers seems to be about norm, obviously the more you pay the less acceptable a failure is.

So if its more gambles of more of the same type of player do we accept the assiadi's of the world round the 2-3 mill not working out? What price becomes unacceptable? Obviously the Carrolls but is it anything over 5 million?

Is it better to "overload" in case some fall into the failure 50% rather than have the situation of last year where after some buys failed to perform immediately we had nowhere but the youngsters to turn?

Loans go on longer don't they? So get all your players in for a full preseason if the new buys look good, loan out some youngsters, if not keep them all around?

Is this (if true at all) a good strategy?
 
Dirtyfrank said:
Fair enough M.

A 50/50 success failure rate for transfers seems to be about norm, obviously the more you pay the less acceptable a failure is.

So if its more gambles of more of the same type of player do we accept the assiadi's of the world round the 2-3 mill not working out? What price becomes unacceptable? Obviously the Carrolls but is it anything over 5 million?

Is it better to "overload" in case some fall into the failure 50% rather than have the situation of last year where after some buys failed to perform immediately we had nowhere but the youngsters to turn?

Loans go on longer don't they? So get all your players in for a full preseason if the new buys look good, loan out some youngsters, if not keep them all around?

Is this (if true at all) a good strategy?
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No, it is better to assess, scout and gather an better analysis of a player before making a decision and therefore improving the success chances. Buying ten random players will result in less than a 50% success rate. It isn't about science, it's about judgement.

I agree that 50:50 seems about right though <ok>
 
Gerrez said:
No, it is better to assess, scout and gather an better analysis of a player before making a decision and therefore improving the success chances. Buying ten random players will result in less than a 50% success rate. It isn't about science, it's about judgement.

I agree that 50:50 seems about right though <ok>
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An analysis

Or

A better analysis

<ok>
 
Lol. But yes. I'm assuming some analysis went into predetermining the choices but if even after that its 50/50, then view the fact we're not carpet bomb buying in the "star" market like a Chelsea or city, is it more likely the players we select are a gamble?

In other words which will get a manager sacked quicker: 4 20-25 million pound player with only 2 working and no one else on the bench to turn to or 8 10 million pound "potential players" with 4 working....?
 
I remember a risky transfer was signing George Weah's cousin. Then silly money took over and it was signing someone for £30+ and the player only going on to score 10 goals during the season.
 
ASIER ILLARRAMENDI

A classy, composed, ball-playing midfielder who started his career with local club Real Sociedad, rising to fame by playing a key role in their surge to Champions League qualification.

Those words can be equally applied to both Xabi Alonso, whose reputation blossomed during Sociedad's La Liga runners-up campaign in 2002-03 before departing for Liverpool, and Illarramendi, the midfield driving force behind the Basque club's hugely unexpected fourth-place finish last season.

Illarramendi is one of the more unsung members of the Under-21 side's success in Israel, but for many observers he was also the most important, and it has been no surprise to see a club of Arsenal's calibre linked with his signature in the aftermath of Spain's success in Israel.

Like Alonso, he is the heartbeat of the team, sitting in front of the back four to dictate the game's flow and tempo with a wonderful range of passing.

His selfless discipline and positional sense provide a firm base for the team's more attacking players to perform with freedom, and the first of many senior international caps is surely just a matter of time.
 
luvgonzo said:
ASIER ILLARRAMENDI

A classy, composed, ball-playing midfielder who started his career with local club Real Sociedad, rising to fame by playing a key role in their surge to Champions League qualification.

Those words can be equally applied to both Xabi Alonso, whose reputation blossomed during Sociedad's La Liga runners-up campaign in 2002-03 before departing for Liverpool, and Illarramendi, the midfield driving force behind the Basque club's hugely unexpected fourth-place finish last season.

Illarramendi is one of the more unsung members of the Under-21 side's success in Israel, but for many observers he was also the most important, and it has been no surprise to see a club of Arsenal's calibre linked with his signature in the aftermath of Spain's success in Israel.

Like Alonso, he is the heartbeat of the team, sitting in front of the back four to dictate the game's flow and tempo with a wonderful range of passing.

His selfless discipline and positional sense provide a firm base for the team's more attacking players to perform with freedom, and the first of many senior international caps is surely just a matter of time.
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Hasn't he been linked to SPurs?
 
luvgonzo said:
ASIER ILLARRAMENDI

A classy, composed, ball-playing midfielder who started his career with local club Real Sociedad, rising to fame by playing a key role in their surge to Champions League qualification.

Those words can be equally applied to both Xabi Alonso, whose reputation blossomed during Sociedad's La Liga runners-up campaign in 2002-03 before departing for Liverpool, and Illarramendi, the midfield driving force behind the Basque club's hugely unexpected fourth-place finish last season.

Illarramendi is one of the more unsung members of the Under-21 side's success in Israel, but for many observers he was also the most important, and it has been no surprise to see a club of Arsenal's calibre linked with his signature in the aftermath of Spain's success in Israel.

Like Alonso, he is the heartbeat of the team, sitting in front of the back four to dictate the game's flow and tempo with a wonderful range of passing.

His selfless discipline and positional sense provide a firm base for the team's more attacking players to perform with freedom, and the first of many senior international caps is surely just a matter of time.
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Would love us to get a player like that!
 
Gerrez said:
I sense a tad of sarcasm <grr>
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Haha just messing. Hopefully Allen can become this player.

But Illarramendi does remind me of a young Alonso when I watch him play - short and long range passing is spot on. Then it takes me back to the days of Alonso and Mash partnership which is the best CM partnerships I have seen in my life time.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Haha just messing. Hopefully Allen can become this player.

But Illarramendi does remind me of a young Alonso when I watch him play - short and long range passing is spot on. Then it takes me back to the days of Alonso and Mash partnership which is the best CM partnerships I have seen in my life time.
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I obviously wasn't being serious with Allen either <laugh>

I'd love a 'young Alonso' but feel we'd also need a 'young Mascherano' because I have my doubts over Lucas (you won't find a bigger Lucas fan either)
 
luvgonzo said:
ASIER ILLARRAMENDI

A classy, composed, ball-playing midfielder who started his career with local club Real Sociedad, rising to fame by playing a key role in their surge to Champions League qualification.

Those words can be equally applied to both Xabi Alonso, whose reputation blossomed during Sociedad's La Liga runners-up campaign in 2002-03 before departing for Liverpool, and Illarramendi, the midfield driving force behind the Basque club's hugely unexpected fourth-place finish last season.

Illarramendi is one of the more unsung members of the Under-21 side's success in Israel, but for many observers he was also the most important, and it has been no surprise to see a club of Arsenal's calibre linked with his signature in the aftermath of Spain's success in Israel.

Like Alonso, he is the heartbeat of the team, sitting in front of the back four to dictate the game's flow and tempo with a wonderful range of passing.

His selfless discipline and positional sense provide a firm base for the team's more attacking players to perform with freedom, and the first of many senior international caps is surely just a matter of time.
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I would also look at Inigo Martinez from Sociedad as well in terms of a ball playing,classy CB.
 
Gerrez said:
I obviously wasn't being serious with Allen either <laugh>

I'd love a 'young Alonso' but feel we'd also need a 'young Mascherano' because I have my doubts over Lucas (you won't find a bigger Lucas fan either)
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As long as we avoid a 'young Lucas'. Our beloved Lucas, like a fine wine, has got (a lot) better with age.
 
Gerrez said:
No, it is better to assess, scout and gather an better analysis of a player before making a decision and therefore improving the success chances. Buying ten random players will result in less than a 50% success rate. It isn't about science, it's about judgement.

I agree that 50:50 seems about right though
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Enricky said:
An analysis

Or

A better analysis
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Another an shambles.
 
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