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Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by Chelsea-The-Shed, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. King Ossie64

    King Ossie64 Well-Known Member

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    So poor in fact you had to reply and make yourself look a bigger **** than we knew you were anyway.
     
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  2. ShanksHateTheMancs

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    One of the worst replies I have ever read, so well done! What is an Everton average? I think you are one of those people who forms an opinion (often ill-judged and without merit) and for whatever reason is unable to let any alternatives in. You also seem to be of the opinion that success is only winning trophies, or being a good manager is all about silverware. There is a whole world outside of the blinkered view of the top 4 or 5, Everton have consistently spent much less than most in the prem, yet have been generally the only team looking like breaking the top 5 stranglehold for years now.

    He has also won the manager of the year award three times!!!!!!!!! With a team with the resources of Wigan, you sir are a total idiot!!!!
     
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  3. Diego

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    Can`t help meself <laugh>
     
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  4. King Ossie64

    King Ossie64 Well-Known Member

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    Jose brought Modric on and Saffa was slow to react, instead berating third officials. He lost it and made a change on 73 mins, 12 mins too late
     
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  6. UnitedinRed

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    Moyes is considered a bigger success at Everton than Mourinho was at Madrid I think.
     
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  7. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

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    Yes because Below Average Moyes took Everton to the league title with a record number of points <laugh>
     
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  8. UnitedinRed

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    relatively he is.

    Mourinho flopped at Madrid, i mean sure for a flop its pretty successful but the reality is he failed to deliver.

    Moyes didnt fail at Everton.
     
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  9. CPofL KTBFFH

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    Well if mid-table mediocrity and an average position worse than Evertons all time average is a success then I guess you're right <laugh><laugh>
     
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  10. UnitedinRed

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    Relative to expectations.

    What Everton did the 100 years before Moyes means precisely **** all <ok>

    In the immediate years preceding Moyes Everton finished in the bottom half 5 years in a row. Therefore Moyes was a success.
     
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  11. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

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    If you are a club that averages 7th then finishing an average of 8th is below expectations, even a 5 year old can work that out.
     
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  12. UnitedinRed

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    You would have to be 5 to come to that conclusion tbh <ok>
     
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  13. CPofL KTBFFH

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    Yes because the whole world knows finishing 7th is worse than finishing 8th <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  14. UnitedinRed

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    What has evertons finishing position in 1907 got to do with the last 10 years? Or in 1913, 1931, 1948, 1964 etc etc?

    Explain <ok>
     
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  15. Diego

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    He does not realise that for this to have any meaning at all it would have to be based on a managers tenure, RDM would be the best manager Chelsea ever had because he won the the champions league, Rafa a close second, god knows who would have their highest league position average and how long a period that woud be over. Still it`s a funny name with which he can convince himself there is no threat <laugh>
     
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  16. King Ossie64

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    Winning one or two trophies doesn't make RDM our best manager now does it! Jose & Tommy Doc (the bloke you stupidly fired for what Ryan Giggs, Wayne Rooney, and the Camel Lipped Gimp was doing for years)
     
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  17. Diego

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    Correct, at least you get this average thing!
     
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  18. ShanksHateTheMancs

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    3 LMA awards to his name
    4th best Everton win percentage ever

    What about the average prem league finishing position, how does Moyes compare to that? Of course its a rhetorical question because you will never do any research. However I did that for you

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22581940

    Previous managers average 14th, Moyes average 7-8th position. If anything then he is Sir above average, So you are talking absolute ballcocks! Everton were on a massive slide before Moyes came in flirting with relegation. Within a couple of years they were in the champs league!!!!!!!! All this at a time when money is king, and Everton have none. When the traditional top four, has now become a top six. Historically Everton were probably on a much even financial footing, right now and during Moyes time they have possibly never been so far behind in that regard.

    Have you ever heard of a word called CONTEXT? Its what intelligent people are able to use to look past black and white and look at the various shades of grey that also exist. The same word that the judges of the LMA probably used to give Moyes his 3 awards. Using this word you are able to take in to account circumstances, resources, mittigating factors, environment, and see the bigger picture; admittedly this takes a few brain cells, so I understand why you are struggling with this. His mangerial tenure coincides with a period in history that has seen possibly the BEST ever manager in Fergie, the one lauded as the future best in Mourinho, 2 teams throwing truck loads of cash around, and that is just a tiny fragment.

    Seems it is you that is ' below average', certainly when it comes to critical thinking and intelligent debate.
     
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  19. BelugaWhale

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    Are you simply regurgitating what you read in the papers, cos if you believe that, you're an idiot. The REALITY is he guided Madrid to the league title winning record points and deposing the best team of all time in the process. Sure, he didn't win the champs league, but getting to 3 consecutive semis, and an overall win rate of 71.9%, is a better average than say, Fergie over his 26 years in charge, and indeed better than his previous stint at Chelsea. Mourinho is proven at the top of the table, Moyes isn't - THAT is 'reality'.
     
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  20. UnitedinRed

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    He flopped.

    Look I like Mourinho and dislike Madrid but anyone who is capable of breathing knows he failed at Madrid.
     
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