Who said that after Canada?
Come on, don't make stuff up Manny. I appreciate your enthusiasm for Kubica's return, as we all would wish to see him back if he could, but let's not over do it?
Kubica Expects Return?
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Who said that after Canada?
Come on, don't make stuff up Manny. I appreciate your enthusiasm for Kubica's return, as we all would wish to see him back if he could, but let's not over do it?
Kubica cheats death.
Polish driver, survives horrific crash and is already looking to race in next week's event
CHARLIE FIDELMAN, The Gazette
Published: Monday, June 11 2007
After surviving a violent crash in yesterday's Formula One Grand Prix, Poland's Robert Kubica asked whether he could start all over again.
" 'Can I race in Indianapolis next Sunday?' That was his first question," Ronald Denis, head of trauma at Sacre Coeur Hospital and at the Formula One site, said with a huge smile after a battery of tests showed the driver had few injuries and none of them serious.
Kubica, 22, has a minor concussion and a sprained right ankle.
"That's all," Denis said
"So it's looking good for Sunday's race, under the circumstances, he's doing very, very well," Denis said.
Hours earlier, the F1 medical team delicately extricated Kubica from the wreck of his BMW as if he had been very severely injured.
But doctors were surprised to find the driver conscious and in good shape. The medical team then transferred him to Sacre Coeur.
Kubica was lucid and stable the whole time, said Denis, who accompanied the driver to the hospital in a second ambulance/helicopter. The flight from the site to the hospital took 71/2 minutes.
Kubica gave doctors a rundown of what happened to him, from the moment one of his wheels clipped Jarno Trulli's Toyota on the approach to the hairpin on Lap 27, Denis said.
His car then took off, flying through the air and smashing into a concrete wall travelling more than 250 kilometres per hour before rolling across the track and hitting another wall.
"When I saw the crash on the screen I was very worried; I thought he was dead," Denis said. "But when we got there, I was very happy to see he was talking."
Doctors suspect Kubica survived with only minor injuries because of safety improvements to the cockpit and drivers' equipment.
"He also hit the wall at an angle, so that helped," Denis said.
Kubica is expected to undergo more neurological tests today before being released from hospital.
"We're going to keep him overnight and reevaluate him in the morning - it's still a brain injury," Denis said.
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© The Gazette (Montreal) 2007
Chris, the head of trauma had bad thoughts right after the accident (when I said after Canada 2007 - I meant after the accident not after the race), the guy came out with a sprained ankle and then started asking about the next rather than taking a break, after being expected to be shaken up from the accident. Of course Vettel took his place for that weekend. How am I over doing it?
I am only expressing Robert's mindset in terms of the fact that however many accidents he has, or how severe they are, he keeps standing up again.
Rosberg's contract was I think a multi-year extension with 2013 being a solid tie, but I am not sure what the 2014 deal is. If Robert is fit, I don't think Toto will hesitate to have him under his wing because of his mindset in racing.
He would deserve the seat.
Another source Chris but from a different accident in 2003,
http://formula1.about.com/od/drivers/a/Formula-1-Drivers-Accident-Recovery-Process.htm
Robert Kubica, a Polish driver, has had two serious accidents, one in a road car and the other during a race.
In 2003, when he was 18, he was involved in a crash in a road car in which he was a passenger, breaking his upper right arm in five places. He was hospitalized in Poland, his arm in traction, and doctors said he would need up to eight months to recover. The European Formula 3 championship, in which Kubica was racing with sponsorship money, was to start on the following Sunday. So Kubica's manager asked Ceccarelli to look at the arm.
The Italian doctor recommended surgery to free the trapped nerve and ensure full use of the hand. Kubica was moved to Italy, a plate with 18 screws was put in and the nerve was removed. Kubica was out of the hospital in four days and went to Ceccarelli's clinic for rehabilitation.
''He never complained, never stressed, never cried, never said, 'I am unlucky,''' Ceccarelli said. ''He was just working, working hard, eight hours a day. His manager was worried about his return to racing, I was worried. The only one who was not worried was Robert.''
Ceccarelli thought Kubica would need three months to recover, but the driver asked to get back in his racing car less than six weeks later. He won his first race back and finished second in the second race. Kubica credited the doctors.
''Of course, having a big injury with complex breaks in the arm, there is always a risk that something might go wrong,'' he added. ''But you don't think about it. You just stay as positive as possible and you only want to see things positively. For sure, you are down mentally, but at this point you just give the maximum to come back.''
It was that same attitude that prevailed in 2007, when Kubica was involved in one of the most horrific high-speed accidents in recent years. His car shot off the track at the Canadian Grand Prix, crashing into a wall and breaking up around him. He suffered a slight ankle sprain and a small concussion. He wanted to race the following week, but the sport's doctors would not let him.
Polish driver, survives horrific crash and is already looking to race in next week's event
CHARLIE FIDELMAN, The Gazette
Published: Monday, June 11 2007
After surviving a violent crash in yesterday's Formula One Grand Prix, Poland's Robert Kubica asked whether he could start all over again.
" 'Can I race in Indianapolis next Sunday?' That was his first question," Ronald Denis, head of trauma at Sacre Coeur Hospital and at the Formula One site, said with a huge smile after a battery of tests showed the driver had few injuries and none of them serious.
Kubica, 22, has a minor concussion and a sprained right ankle.
"That's all," Denis said
"So it's looking good for Sunday's race, under the circumstances, he's doing very, very well," Denis said.
Hours earlier, the F1 medical team delicately extricated Kubica from the wreck of his BMW as if he had been very severely injured.
But doctors were surprised to find the driver conscious and in good shape. The medical team then transferred him to Sacre Coeur.
Kubica was lucid and stable the whole time, said Denis, who accompanied the driver to the hospital in a second ambulance/helicopter. The flight from the site to the hospital took 71/2 minutes.
Kubica gave doctors a rundown of what happened to him, from the moment one of his wheels clipped Jarno Trulli's Toyota on the approach to the hairpin on Lap 27, Denis said.
His car then took off, flying through the air and smashing into a concrete wall travelling more than 250 kilometres per hour before rolling across the track and hitting another wall.
"When I saw the crash on the screen I was very worried; I thought he was dead," Denis said. "But when we got there, I was very happy to see he was talking."
Doctors suspect Kubica survived with only minor injuries because of safety improvements to the cockpit and drivers' equipment.
"He also hit the wall at an angle, so that helped," Denis said.
Kubica is expected to undergo more neurological tests today before being released from hospital.
"We're going to keep him overnight and reevaluate him in the morning - it's still a brain injury," Denis said.
[email protected]
© The Gazette (Montreal) 2007
Chris, the head of trauma had bad thoughts right after the accident (when I said after Canada 2007 - I meant after the accident not after the race), the guy came out with a sprained ankle and then started asking about the next rather than taking a break, after being expected to be shaken up from the accident. Of course Vettel took his place for that weekend. How am I over doing it?
I am only expressing Robert's mindset in terms of the fact that however many accidents he has, or how severe they are, he keeps standing up again.
Rosberg's contract was I think a multi-year extension with 2013 being a solid tie, but I am not sure what the 2014 deal is. If Robert is fit, I don't think Toto will hesitate to have him under his wing because of his mindset in racing.
He would deserve the seat.
Another source Chris but from a different accident in 2003,
http://formula1.about.com/od/drivers/a/Formula-1-Drivers-Accident-Recovery-Process.htm
Robert Kubica, a Polish driver, has had two serious accidents, one in a road car and the other during a race.
In 2003, when he was 18, he was involved in a crash in a road car in which he was a passenger, breaking his upper right arm in five places. He was hospitalized in Poland, his arm in traction, and doctors said he would need up to eight months to recover. The European Formula 3 championship, in which Kubica was racing with sponsorship money, was to start on the following Sunday. So Kubica's manager asked Ceccarelli to look at the arm.
The Italian doctor recommended surgery to free the trapped nerve and ensure full use of the hand. Kubica was moved to Italy, a plate with 18 screws was put in and the nerve was removed. Kubica was out of the hospital in four days and went to Ceccarelli's clinic for rehabilitation.
''He never complained, never stressed, never cried, never said, 'I am unlucky,''' Ceccarelli said. ''He was just working, working hard, eight hours a day. His manager was worried about his return to racing, I was worried. The only one who was not worried was Robert.''
Ceccarelli thought Kubica would need three months to recover, but the driver asked to get back in his racing car less than six weeks later. He won his first race back and finished second in the second race. Kubica credited the doctors.
''Of course, having a big injury with complex breaks in the arm, there is always a risk that something might go wrong,'' he added. ''But you don't think about it. You just stay as positive as possible and you only want to see things positively. For sure, you are down mentally, but at this point you just give the maximum to come back.''
It was that same attitude that prevailed in 2007, when Kubica was involved in one of the most horrific high-speed accidents in recent years. His car shot off the track at the Canadian Grand Prix, crashing into a wall and breaking up around him. He suffered a slight ankle sprain and a small concussion. He wanted to race the following week, but the sport's doctors would not let him.
Yes it was a bad accident, but to make it sound like he was never going to return from it was the bit I think you were over-dramatising.
Within a couple of hours the news came through that he was pretty much okay. Doesn't make it anything like a comparable 'comeback' to his rally accident, if that does indeed happen.
Briefly we feared for his life of course looking at how violent the crash was, but after that it was quickly apparent that it wouldn't be the end of his career. Not at all like this one which has already ruled him out for three seasons. No nerve damage crucially.
Has anyone ever come back from an injury as severe as Roberts (ie limited mobility) to race competitively in F1 again?
That's what I meant, it was surprising he was able to function normally that quick. But to be fair, I admit it was not as bad as the recent accident.
I don't think so, Schumacher 1999 Silverstone broken leg rings a bell, but this (with nerve damage - basically a crushed hand) and a longer time out will be a huge trial to race front-runners.
No one with such bad hand injuries has come back. Nannini never made it back from having nerves severed in his hands and arms in 1990 and that 's probably the only real comparative I can think of.
Schuey's comeback was remarkable as it happened in the same season, but a lot of drivers have come back from broken legs.
Schuey's comeback was remarkable as it happened in the same season, but a lot of drivers have come back from broken legs.
I'll say it again with emphasis so that you might see exactly what I'm saying, RR. I can see that it might be easy to see the final phrase in isolation but it requires reading the whole sentence in context. For clarity, I'll remove the parentheses about Mallya / Force India, since perhaps it appeared to bisect the sentence.
Whether or not it seems to others to be harsh or an underestimation, this is my opinion:
"As far as F1 is concerned, unless he returns to a relatively lowly team happy to gamble, forget him: he's done".
Hope that's a bit clearer.
TomTom94
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Yeah, this. Webber challenged for the title in a season he very nearly didn't start because of a bike accident, remember. (Didn't he recover from that in around 3 months? Incredible.) Broken legs are very different from nerve damage in the hands and arms, which would make it physically much more difficult to pick up the feedback of a vehicle, especially in the fine-margins world of F1.
personally I doubnt it has anything to do with feel, more about movement, especially in respect of the various knobs, buttons, dials and switches on the steering wheel, which I reckon are his problem.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107433
Would like to see him back on the grid, but thinking the longer he remains out of the sport the less likely he'll be back.
Would like to see him back on the grid, but thinking the longer he remains out of the sport the less likely he'll be back.
Thought the news of him getting a second test meant this deserved a bump. 'Sources in Renault' say that he is on pace with Hulk in the simulator, I'm going to guess that he'll do a FP session in the 2017 car, and I think if he is on pace then he'll replace Palmer ASAP.
Superhuman, simple as that. The man looks as if he has half an arm, and reports suggest he has the pace to be right up there again, even after 6 years. It is a damn shame with his incident at all. Was always a potential world champion in my eyes after watching the 2010 season. But who knows... the world works in mysterious ways doesn't it.
The world is weird and wonderful isn't it? Sometimes we shouldn't underestimate the the strength of the human will, which I'm also guilty of. Special mention to Billy Monger and Michael who keep fighting to this day.
Wish there'd be some update on Schuey. It really makes you assume the absolute worst.
It is very heart warming to see Billy back in a racing car so soon after his accident. Zanardi will be his inspiration that he can at least have a future in competitive racing. Single seaters are probably out, but Zanardi won in WTCC with a specially modified car, so it can be done. Let's see if he can get to BTCC.
142 laps, 0.15 off Palmer's qualifying time. Ok, we don't know fuel loads, track conditions or whether he had the new front wing, but that's not too shabby, good enough for 13th. Next will be an FP (Monza?), if he's up with Hulks time that is going to put a bit of pressure on Renault to give him a race. Palmer's a nice enough bloke, but he's had 30 races to prove himself and, imo, he's taking up a seat in a decent car. Can't believe I gave him a DoD way back when.
Another bump is due, Tyre testing is over and the results are, not quite in.
Has he done enough? We don't know, Williams don't want to give an answer.
That says to me he wasn't impressive and/or is struggling with something connected to his injury.
Has he done enough? We don't know, Williams don't want to give an answer.
That says to me he wasn't impressive and/or is struggling with something connected to his injury.
