Oh well, we kept it going for a while before discipline went and the politics took over. Bye, thread...
If people kept to the subject instead of stooping to moronic egocentric statements it could be kept open.
If we travelled back to the 80s now we would arrive in a political climate where Margaret Thatcher wasn't just disliked, but literally dispised by a huge part of the population. People say she won 3 elections so she must have been popular, but in truth she beat Callaghan who was a dead man walking, then Michael Foot who was the single worst politician ever to be put up to lead a party, then Neil Kinnock who was portrayed as little more than a cartoon character by her buddy Bruce Murdoch and his right-wing press. Also remember that even then those who voted in elections were a small minority of the over all population. Every week We listened to the banshee shreiking in parliament, we saw her dismantling British industry and selling it off at rock-bottom prices to her cronies as "Tory sleaze" became a common phrase. We saw the unemployment figures sky-rocketing and never a word of compassion from that woman for the victims. We saw a war that could easily have been averted kill British soldiers on our own TV screens while Thatcher pounded the 'votes drum' with speeches that might have been written by The Sun's headline think tank. Then to top it off she tried to bring in a tax that would have seen the richest property owner paying as little poll tax as a poverty-stricken pensioner. The common opinion in those times was that Thatcher was an evil woman. Those who were too young to have been around at the time and only know second-hand what she did might not believe that. Clever journalists like the one you have quoted can spin the economic facts to paint a flattering picture of her, but Thatcher was hated. She was hated for the social devastation she left in her wake and she was hated because she treated her victims with cold disdain.
She didn't hate it. It was of no interest to her and she didn't understand it, which is different. A lot of uswill not be interested in or understand quantum physics but it doesn't mean we hate it. I'd rather someone who has no interest in football be honest about than be like a lot of politicians and celebrities who all pretend they are interested in the game to give them some sort of credence with people who they are interested in influencing.
Biggest load of bull **** i have ever read. If individuals decided not to vote that is there fault, you can't moan about some Woman's policies if you did not vote for anyone. So voter apathy is something you really shouldn't use in your arguement. Even in the 1987 election Maggy gained 42% of the vote and Labour 30% to say that the country was not in favour of her policies is ridiculous. I am not right wing in the slightest i am just not a deluded leftie. Whether you agree with her policies or not shouldn't be an issue, we are human beings, we respect other people. She achieved a great deal in her lifetime, some of which you may not agree with but she really did a great deal for this country, and we should respect that. If you don't thats fair enough, but i feel you are a disgusting human.
I'm getting bored of her death already and media stoking the fires for the next week or so. Entrenched opinions will not change. Just think it's a sad day for this country that the misbehaviour of some people will force alterations to the established protocol we have for these occasions. We are British ffs, not some emotionally incontinent Latin banana republic. "Don't like her funeral? Don't attend or watch it then" would be my advice to those who continue to feel hurt.
Trouble is with some of that is that Blair, leader of a Labour government started more wars and was responsible for the deaths of more service men than her. As far as the poll tax goes the main complaints were from the bed sit brigade who never contributed a penny and would have had to start doing so. The rates were and are ridiculous in many ways and a poll tax fairer. The widow next door to me was paying the same rates as myself wife and 2 working lads. However my lads had the same voting rights in local elections as myself who paid the rates whilst they contributed nothing. And out voting the woman next door.Representation without taxation. The reverse of the cause of the American War Of Independence. No wonder some stupid things could get approval because of votes from people who wouldn't ha e to foot the bill for them. Some for of local taxation and income tax would be a better way, then everyone contributes and has an interest in where the money goes.
****ing joke thread .. someone who was important to the running of the country is dead and yet vilified .. one side of opinion or not ... she saw it through that so many people started their own businesses .. she took 9Billion a year from our national expense (not including the 14billion in mining alone ) ... the country ended up in a much better way because of her as people who wanted to work did work and got off their arses and worked .. mining had less than ten years left resource wise .. we funded all wages and a great proportion of the "revenue" ... I didn't like her but I saw what she did and to be honest .. she transformed this country to the modern age before its time ... that's why every country looks to us now .... now the sooner we get rid of these benefit coulture the better ...
You think I'm "a disgusting human" because I have a different opinion to you. I'm afraid that exposes just how childish you are. And on the subject - how old are you or more to the point how old were you in the 80s?
When people bang on about her not getting the majority of the vote no party has ever had over 50% of the vote, Atlee and Churchill when reflected both had 49%. Blair had a lesser share than Thatcher. Wilson lost an election with a bigger share of the vote than one he won. Always will be that way, the winner getting well less than 50% the differences down to who votes for the third party and then fringe parties. An argument for PR until you consider Hitler got in under PR and probably wouldn't have done under our first past the post system.
I think the disgusting bit refers to the way you express your opinions rather than the fact they are different. How old were you in the 1980s?
Speaking of recipes, is anyone watching Masterchef? Robbie Brady's on there, cooking under the pseudonym 'Natalie' and pretending he's a part-time DJ
I've read the responses the this post and I have to say that the above post is pretty much an accurate reflection of what I remember with regard to Thatcher, and I was in my 20's in the 80's. And to City1904, to say that people aren't allowed a political opinion if they don't vote is similar to the pillocks that frequently attempt to dispel someone's point about City by accusing them of not being a real supporter as they weren't around when Noah was building his ****ing ark! For the record I have never voted once for any of the self serving twats throughout my 53 years, and I have absolutely no intention of ever doing so, but I will always give my opinion should I wish to do so.
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