Thatcher Dies
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Sisu:4547585 said:Bollox!
When Caesar got stabbed, and not in the rear like he liked but actually stabbed I am sure everyone cried, NOT, you celebrate the death of a tyrant
Caesar was a dictator and followed in his enemy, Sulla's, footsteps in killing the republic.
However, Caesar was a populist, he actually worked towards improving the lives of the lowliest Roman citizens and they loved him.
It was the upper crust that despised him those in the senatorial classes.
Would be better comparing Sulla to Thatcher than Caesar.
I've tried to stay quiet on this thread as Thatcher's era is before my time therefore I don't know what happened (and I won't pretend that I do!). Also, her actions with regards to Hillsboro and one of the biggest cover ups in UK history were diabolical and weren't the actions of a leader of the country.
With regards to politics in general, I am more right wing than left wing. I don't believe in studying hard, working hard and paying taxes just to support others. My concern in life is to support myself and my family. I'm 25 years old - therefore you could argue that my attitude has been indirectly influenced by the regimes in place before my time (e.g. Thatcher). It would be interesting to hear other viewpoints as what Britain was like pre-Thatcher? Was everyone happy working hard and supporting the poor? It's nice that society is very caring but why should I work hard to support others? Isn't it better for me to be poor and let others support me? Hence the problem we have today?
I hope I didn't offend anyone with this post. As I say, I'm only 25 so my knowledge on the Thatcher era isn't great.
sorry mate
No worries. I feel just as strongly about it and in exactly the same way as you and saint
I understand your point. I am trying to compare some of the stuff to overhere and what you just said is basically screaming "welfare" Those who can't/don't get work can get on welfare and earn more getting checks from the government than most do working 9-5 jobs. I don't have a full grasp on politics and I think politics is a load of **** so don't get bothered too much with it all. All I want is fair, which might seem a little simple in terms of goverment and ruling, etc but at the end of the day that is all I want.
You're not being offensive saying things as you see them, mate- but I hardly know where to begin in reply to your points.
I said at the beginning there were many problems before Thatcher (governments are usually elected because of dissatisfaction with the incumbent). I don't think any of us are seeing the past through rose-tinted glasses and denying that some things needed to change, but there was a general optimism that as a society we were going in the right direction- something that Thatcherism destroyed, imo.
Of course it's right for you to put you and your own first, but Thatcherism made consideration for the greater good a dirty concept, and compassion a weakness.
The correlation between hard work and success is a fallacy, there are plenty of hard working people who live on next to nothing, and plenty of rich people who don't need to work.
The fact that a working class lad from Liverpool like me has the money for a computer and the education to write this is down to the work and sacrifice of the socialist movement and the efforts of a few enlightened Victorian reformers. Without them we'd still be factory fodder living at a subsistence level.
This is a bit simplistic, of course, the argument is much more complex. I could go on ( I frequently do
) but I wonder whether a football forum is the right place for this.unfortunately, i can see this going on for the next couple of weeks, i've had enough of it already.
http://www.football365.com/mediawatch/8627375/The-Page-That-Isn-t-Funny
it was our and City's decision to not hold a minute silence.
it was our and City's decision to not hold a minute silence.
'cheques' In 85% of cases, it's not like that. Some people will always try and screw the system whatever that system is.
You're not being offensive saying things as you see them, mate- but I hardly know where to begin in reply to your points.
I said at the beginning there were many problems before Thatcher (governments are usually elected because of dissatisfaction with the incumbent). I don't think any of us are seeing the past through rose-tinted glasses and denying that some things needed to change, but there was a general optimism that as a society we were going in the right direction- something that Thatcherism destroyed, imo.
Of course it's right for you to put you and your own first, but Thatcherism made consideration for the greater good a dirty concept, and compassion a weakness.
The correlation between hard work and success is a fallacy, there are plenty of hard working people who live on next to nothing, and plenty of rich people who don't need to work.
The fact that a working class lad from Liverpool like me has the money for a computer and the education to write this is down to the work and sacrifice of the socialist movement and the efforts of a few enlightened Victorian reformers. Without them we'd still be factory fodder living at a subsistence level.
This is a bit simplistic, of course, the argument is much more complex. I could go on ( I frequently do
Thanks saint. I was going to have a stab, but happy you stepped in. Have you cleared your message box yet?
I understand that, but that is one of the big issues here with Obama trying to help the lower class if you will and the republican side are upset as abig part of this is keeping welfare and I believe increasing it ( again are there some, black or white, who really do need it? Yes, but are there many who abuse it? **** yes!).
I don't come from money and I owe my rents a lot for where I am today ( especially in terms of footy... the amount of money forked out for me to play at a top level, frightening!). I understand the grind but hate to see things being abused such as welfare.
Then why don't you just **** off if you don't like it sonny. There's serious spleen venting going on here. Plenty of other threads, boards, forums to migrate to.
Bluff. No one abused people more than Thatcher, her cronies and her rhetoric. Remember Hillsborough
Bluff. No one abused people more than Thatcher, her cronies and her rhetoric. Remember Hillsborough
That is what I pretty much stated at the very beginning of all of this. Not really old enough and clicked in enough at the time to understand it all but to hide something like Hillsborough and deny people food just seemed too brutal for me.