UNI, Don't apologise!!! Yes you are a kid and an idiot...but you are supposed to be!!! You're a student ffs....it's part of the rite of passage!!!!!! And please don't be offended by qhat I just said. it's a joke. But while you are shocked...and I have shocked myself that I can feel (still!) so angry about the woman but it goes to show how deeply she wounded the country. Yes she was democratically elected but I believe she abused her power and set out on a path which surely ruined the country in general and most of the ining areas in particular. She was particularly vicious i can tell you and used all means to achieve her ends....which were based on dogma, as I said earlier. She had specific views about organisatinos and people which, in the event have proved wrong, but the policies were driven through anyway. I could go on but won't.....the bile is rising again. I'm glad you can forgive your mate...that's what it is all about, in the normal course of things. but maybe you can see the depth of feeling from the various replies you have seen. Like Aber said, least said now soonest mended but somethign had to be said to counter the crap that goes around as a eulogy. And, thanks to all for letting me vent this lot on all of you......it's been rather cathartic.
uni good man......the reason for your lack of anger and enjoyement in this twats death was the fact you didn't live through her premiership years (similar 2 Swansea`s lol)..........take care dude. sometimes you can forgive and this is one of them times.......there isn't no god so deal with the facts>>>>she was a twat end of [video=youtube;gc7RcVqJ6Gk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gc7RcVqJ6Gk[/video]
I'm very torn with this , I'm 38 so lived most of my school years under thatcher , my family all use to work in industry that where effected by coal ( steel works , railways etc ) and were deeply effected by the closing of the pits , I live in England now and people dont seem to understand ( or care ) what effect thatcher had on Wales and continues to have , the torn bit is the celebration of someone's death , not going to dance on her grave , but really can't feel anything but apathy for the euologies afforded her, she was vindictive , spiteful , and full of hate for the working class of this country .
The woman represented greed and only supported her own kind. She set out to destroy the spirit of working class communities and failed.
I have no love for Maggie or for what she done in particular. But it's a bit one-sided here, union leaders were every bit as bad, just another bunch of greedy fat cats living off the woes of others, and using them to forward their ideas and plans. When a strike was imminent the miners would stock up on coal and goodies to see themselves through, the likes of Maggie didn't have to worry about stocking up, they had stocked up for years, and the same for the likes of scargill, he wouldn't be going without that's for sure. Meanwhile many houses worked on coal! a fact union leaders relied on, no heating, no hot water and even drying clothes couldn't be done(it was always wintertime when these strikes happened) so the poor bugger in the street mostly copped the **** of it all. Food ran low on the shelves, candles were the order of the day as the electric went out a lot during these times. So you sat in a darkened candlelit room, listening to a radio if you had the batteries for it, sounds a damn more romantic than it was. The miners had good public support at the time, something I doubt they would enjoy today. I'm not sure people are ready to be without the internet for even a few hours a year, never mind a day Of course it was noted that working down the mines was a hard dirty job, not many people would do what the miners did for a living. Truth is, getting a job in the mines was a bit difficult unless you knew someone already there(bit like the docks) a father or brother, uncle etc. Which is why it was such a close-knit community. Meanwhile Maggie was ready to run roughshod over anybody who stood in her way and some very ugly scenes followed on the heels of these strikes. Did she do any good, no more than any other leader, do she do any bad, more than most, but then she had more time in office than most, and I suspect she thought herself invincible. The union leaders and the government leaders of the time must equally share the blame, the rest of us were just used to further whatever plans they deemed to have.
I can't bring myself to celebrate the death of any human being.......however I certainly feel justified in condemning this womans' actions during her lifetime. An absolutely heinious woman...totally detestable. Her views are the polar opposite to every moral and political view I hold. Going to war to gain political advantage - the erosion of workers rights - the lack of decent social housing - the erosion/abolition of the concept of free universal education - a two tier health system - the selling off of transport & energy 'companies' so that those who can afford shares benefit as opposed to everyone - the culture of greed where the 'top' people cream off the riches whilst everyone else suffers....all can be traced back to Thatcherite policies. From a personal point of view I've attended funerals of previously proud, hard working men who died broken men because of her policies. Will I rejoice her death......no, but will I celebrate any of her life.....no, not even for a nano-second.
Ok Swamp so thanks to Labour are you struggling to feed your family and relying on food parcels? Could you lose your home due to no income.? Can you buy new clothes for your chidren? Are you living in a community that has been destroyed and will remain in a mess for the next 30 years.? Bet not. I was in school during the Thatcher years but she wrecked working class communities and they are still suffering. No I dont want to work down a mine. Would I have gone down a mine or see my kids go without food , or be poorly clothed or lose my house. You bet I would have. Sadly tens of thousands who wanted to do that couldnt. Dont want to talk politics rather stick to football - And on that football fans were treated like dirt as well. I dont like any of the political parties - all more or less Tories these days.
No one is talking about a poor women who has died they are talking of the misery and poverty she caused for millions while milking the system for the rich. I am sure some German people could say Hitler did a lot of good things but I don`t see anyone giving him any respect. While she was alive she hated anyone who could not afford to buy shares in her free for all selling spree, today we are paying for it with huge water and electric bills. This is the most hated person in living memory in the UK and anyone who supports her on an emotional plea has never suffered under her and neither have their parents. With her ruthless way we never had a chance, well we got the chance now and anyone who dont like it too bad. She led a rich life and a long one, mamy died in poverty early through her measures. I have more sympathy for the devil. Again read it right, it is not the person it is what she did. jck
in doubt it aber, thatcher will continue to be a hate figure for a long time to come, especially in our mining communities
hows tricks mabs good 2 hear from ew ......hey butty tbh I thought I`d be a little bit more excited by what happened yesterday.....trouble for me is the fact she lived so long 87 is a grand old age for people in my area and not many get 2 make it past theyre 60`s these days,her legacy with live on but im hoping we can now start 2 put our anger 2 one side and put our energy into fighting this system of politics we have today........... ps I think I read somewhere that we voted her in three times>>>>>>>>how wrong can some young dumb twats be hey stats and nowt more from them>>>>>like the last election wales voted for labour but England voted for the scum and we got out voted by people who don't get treated so harshly when it comes 2 conservative agenda`s.......so we get stuck with what England wants really .......western democracy is an illusion of freedom when its governed the way the capitalists down with the system
agree with all the honest heartfelt comments on here from those who suffered and lived through those years--there is alot of revisionism going on regarding her politics/actions-- the truth is told by those of us who lived it-- and believe me , even the devil will find it hard to give her a berth--maybe as a butt plug ?
I've come into this debate a bit late, but I'll be 53 in May so can remember all aspects of her very well. Though Cardiff born & bred, I spent most of my adult life living in the heart of Surrey & Kent, pure Tory country. I could see precisely where & whom her policies benefited, and on my trips home, who they didn't. Everyone, and I mean everyone I knew in Surrey, Kent & London had a job - everyone I knew in Cardiff didn't, it's as simple as that. It might do well to remember that during the miners strike Thatcher did all she could to accommodate the Nottingham miners because they broke the strike. She actually wanted to save their mines because of this - if that isn't showing bias then I don't know what is. I won't be celebrating her death, as it's beneath me, but I won't be celebrating her life either.
Many people have been asking the same question lately about how she got back in. Each constituency is worth one point in the first past the post system we use, whichever party gets the most votes in a constituency wins the point. But many Tory strongholds in South East England and South West England had constituencies with a population of 3,000 or less. Labour and Lib Dem strongholds had many constituencies which had a population of 50,000 or more. So it was a case of 3,000 tory voters being given the same weight as 50,000 Labour or Lib Dem voters. Under the fairer Proportional Representation system the Conservatives would be the third most popular party, Lib Dem would always be ahead of them and that is why they were asking for the change a few years ago. A few years ago most people who voted on the system change said no, but at the time there was a massive press manipulation campaign going on to make the P.R. system sound terrible. They didn't understand how it would work.
It is about whether you were directly affected by any one policy. If you were and suffered then you have a right to express your views, if you were not directly affected then you actually did not have anything to worry about. In fact all the rich are coming out to support her while all the less well off are not. This is not a few hundred people causing trouble it is millions who all have every reason to hate what she did. jck
