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[joseshivers]

Out of Nani and Arbeloa, only one of them could see the collision coming, and he chose to run into Nani's foot, potentially endangering himself. With Nani in the air he could have easily won the ball off him, but he chose to run into him, we all know what Arbeloa was thinking.

 

[Constcrepe]

Having suffered at the hands of Keane when he managed Ipswich, I never thought I'd say this, but the man talks sense.

There's nothing in the rules about intent, therefore when Nani went for the ball, studs up, chest height, he was endangering the safety of the other player. The rules were applied by the letter.

"I didn't see him" is as poor an excuse as "I wasn't looking". Nani was negligent and was punished. The only season there's such a furore is that it happened at OT where referees are often scared of applying the rules.

Ferguson's behaviour was embarrassing and as for Ferdinand; his behaviour (sarcastically clapping in the referee's face) he could easily have been given a ban.

Hard luck Man U. Learn to take it on the chin, like every other club in the world, and you won't be such an embarrassment.

Nani went to control the ball and not challenge the player so not serious violent play. The Real player challenged Nani's attempt to bring the ball under control and there was a collision. Thats not under dispute. But Nani never knew where the lad was so it difficult for the ref to claim serious foul play or violent conduct which are two of the seven offences which FIFA deem punishable by a red card. The keepers challenge however was a possible red. He saw Vidic heading the ball and jumped up with the clear intention of punching the ball but punched on him the head requiring the Utd keeper to have treatment. Red card.

Don't care about Keane. He's only seeking to keep his job on ITV and be controversial like Eamon Dunphy on RTE. You say white, Roy will say black and so on.

Also if I had been playing last night I would have not shaken the ref's hand. Utd players have a right to be pissed of because of a total and utter cock up. Personally don't give a damn that fans from other clubs think that's wrong, 'cause nothing to do with them.

 

[leez]

made southgate look a right tit which he is and has done as a commentator many times before.

 

[Topgun]

Nani was looking over his shoulder when he originally lifted his foot to control the dropping ball that bit is ok, but if you watch the replay as he turns his head he can see the player and had plenty of time to withdraw his leg and avoid studding him, but instead it actually looks like he drove his foot forward into him. Deserved red and Roy Keane's assessment was absolutely correct although delivered in his usual arrogant confrontational manner.

 

[Constcrepe]

Nani was looking over his shoulder when he originally lifted his foot to control the dropping ball that bit is ok, but if you watch the replay as he turns his head he can see the player and had plenty of time to withdraw his leg and avoid studding him, but instead it actually looks like he drove his foot forward into him. Deserved red and Roy Keane's assessment was absolutely correct although delivered in his usual arrogant confrontational manner.

For the love of God.

 

[goonercymraeg]

I believe that the vast majority of the rules of football are open to interpretation by the referee.If the referee interpreted Nani's play as dangerous or reckless then he was right to issue a red card.

 

[Constcrepe]

I believe that the vast majority of the rules of football are open to interpretation by the referee.If the referee interpreted Nani's play as dangerous or reckless then he was right to issue a red card.

Its clear he did but to anyone with common sense it was not. Besides if it is a red card then why not this one in the same match?

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[goonercymraeg]

Its clear he did but to anyone with common sense it was not. Besides if it is a red card then why not this one in the same match?

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It has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks.Personally i thought the red was harsh but that is my opininion.It's the referee's opininion that counts and he thought it was a worthy of a red.Whatever we as football think the referee made the correct decision because that is how he saw the incident.

 

[- SW6 -]

A great day when Utd get it up them.

They ****ing hate it, even though it happens to everyone else all the time.

 

[Psycho2k]

A great day when Utd get it up them.

They ****ing hate it, even though it happens to everyone else all the time.

Are we back to the "United get all the decisions" thing already? I thought we would at least get to cheat a win against your lot in the cup before that old chestnut came up again.

 

[- SW6 -]

Are we back to the "United get all the decisions" thing already? I thought we would at least get to cheat a win against your lot in the cup before that old chestnut came up again.

I said nothing about you getting decisions, I just said you ****ing hate it when you don't.

 

[Swarbs]

It has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks.Personally i thought the red was harsh but that is my opininion.It's the referee's opininion that counts and he thought it was a worthy of a red.Whatever we as football think the referee made the correct decision because that is how he saw the incident.

Completely agree with you. Not much point arguing the toss - the ref made his decision, **** happens.

Tho' I wonder if you'll be so sanguine if the ref views another Vidic handball in the area as accidental when we play you in April?

 

[Constcrepe]

It has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks.Personally i thought the red was harsh but that is my opininion.It's the referee's opininion that counts and he thought it was a worthy of a red.Whatever we as football think the referee made the correct decision because that is how he saw the incident.

It is the ref's opinion that counts but you've got to admit his decision changed the game completely. He made a decision which and I'm trying not to be bias here, which was totally and utterly wrong yet allowed the keeper to stay on the pitch despite punching an Utd player to the face. Which of the two were the most dangerous?

 

[- SW6 -]

It is the ref's opinion that counts but you've got to admit his decision changed the game completely. He made a decision which and I'm trying not to be bias here, which was totally and utterly wrong yet allowed the keeper to stay on the pitch despite punching an Utd player to the face. Which of the two were the most dangerous?

The keeper going up in a melee of players to punch a ball probably looks a little different, in terms of who is most vulnerable, than the very fast moving image of what looked to be someone going chest high with his studs up one on one.

 

[Christiansmith]

Completely agree with you. Not much point arguing the toss - the ref made his decision, **** happens.

Tho' I wonder if you'll be so sanguine if the ref views another Vidic handball in the area as accidental when we play you in April?

Yes I garee.

**** happens. and there was no knowing whether even without Nani beng sent off Real's pressure wouldn't have paid off. IF they had scored a goal, then United would have been under pressure.

Just need to focus on the premiership and the FA cup. A double would not be too bad!

 

[Constcrepe]

The keeper going up in a melee of players to punch a ball probably looks a little different, in terms of who is most vulnerable, than the very fast moving image of what looked to be someone going chest high with his studs up one on one.

So its all right for a keeper who sees a rival player going for the ball and decides to punch it clear only to miss and connect fully with his head but it's totally wrong and a sending off offence for a player not knowing till the very last split second where an opponent player is when he's trying to control the ball and not challenge anyone? Look again at both incidents and tell me which is the most dangerous to both players. One to the head and one to just below his armpit.

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[Varier2]

I agree with you to an extent there. I think we still need strict rules for tackling on the ground as lunges on the floor can be very dangerous. I remember Jonny Evans on Stuart Holden a couple of years back - it looked pretty innocuous at the time but Evans' studs went into Holden's knee which was bent under him and as a result we was out for 18 months.

But I think players need to be allowed to challenge for balls in the air and go for 50:50s with a reasonable degree of force or the game will just die on its feet. I don't think the rules are to blame here, it's the fact that refs seem far to willing to view any force in a challenge (or even no force in a challenge) as being excessive. And if there's no force in the challenge we might as well be watching basketball.

However you want to interpret it. I think the game is getting too soft - the cause can be debated.

 

[Constcrepe]

However you want to interpret it. I think the game is getting too soft - the cause can be debated.

Agreed.

 

[- SW6 -]

So its all right for a keeper who sees a rival player going for the ball and decides to punch it clear only to miss and connect fully with his head but it's totally wrong and a sending off offence for a player not knowing till the very last split second where an opponent player is when he's trying to control the ball and not challenge anyone? Look again at both incidents and tell me which is the most dangerous to both players. One to the head and one to just below his armpit.

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I was referring to the refs view in real time, not your ability to post a montage of images that suit your argument.

 

[Constcrepe]

I was referring to the refs view in real time, not your ability to post a montage of images that suit your argument.

Yeah cause I searched the internet looking for just the right images to show how the keeper may have punched Vidic and thus might have breached FIFA law 12. You caught me out lad.