Can we do it?

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Staying positive
reasons
1. Wigan have conceded at least 2 goals in 8 of their last 9 home matches in the Premier League.
2. They're missing players
3. We can't go without the win for ever, big numbers rule
 
We can do it, we did it last year with less games left when many, including myself, thought we were doomed; our opponents Wigan did it too despite looking dead and buried last season. Things can change almost overnight. We need that first win. It may come Saturday or it may come in the next couple, who knows. Then the world will look a different place and we'll most likely be too busy then looking ahead to navel gaze. Up up and away.
 
3. We can't go without the win for ever, big numbers rule[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid that theory only stands up on a single game basis.Each time you play there is a chance of a win and over a period not winning becomes less likely over the whole run.But it's like tossing a coin,if it lands heads six times in a row the seventh toss is still 50/50.
 
I'm afraid that theory only stands up on a single game basis.Each time you play there is a chance of a win and over a period not winning becomes less likely over the whole run.But it's like tossing a coin,if it lands heads six times in a row the seventh toss is still 50/50.

Agree but don't you think that in some previous matches we've been rather unlucky and we're bound to have some luck sometimes
 
Agree 100% but my point was that it's equally likely that that game will be against Wigan,Fulham,Newcastle or (unlikely I admit or I would have a tenner on it) not at all this season.
 
Staying positive
reasons
1. Wigan have conceded at least 2 goals in 8 of their last 9 home matches in the Premier League.
2. They're missing players
3. We can't go without the win for ever, big numbers rule
Saints were conceding 3.5 goals away from home until they played us....
 
I'm sure Mark Hughes put out the team after careful consideration of the opposition, based on fitness and impact of injuries, effort shown in training, after working out the potential weak spots of the other teams etc. I don't think he expected us to fail so miserably every week. Harry has the same players so what makes us think that all of a sudden it is going to be 3 points every week?

Something is wrong with the team. Hardly anyone bothered to congratulate Mackie for his equalizer against Villa and there is still a tendency to put the hands on the hips and stare at team mates giving them evils when things don't work out. I don't know if it is a split due to wage imparity, perception of glory hunter johnny come lately chancers from the old timers, language barriers etc but I hope Harry is savvy enough to know who is trouble and who is reliable then also know what to do with them.

It is a sobering thought when reminded that for us to stay up we will have to beat all existing records in the remaining games. Any team with as few points as us after so many games has been relegated and I'm sure that once we have been through plenty of emotional turmoil it will be back to the Championship next season.
 
I'm positive. We are capable of beating Wigan and Fulham and taking it from there.

Can't afford any passengers. Everyone needs to contribute!!
 
I'm sure Mark Hughes put out the team after careful consideration of the opposition, based on fitness and impact of injuries, effort shown in training, after working out the potential weak spots of the other teams etc. I don't think he expected us to fail so miserably every week. Harry has the same players so what makes us think that all of a sudden it is going to be 3 points every week?

Something is wrong with the team. Hardly anyone bothered to congratulate Mackie for his equalizer against Villa and there is still a tendency to put the hands on the hips and stare at team mates giving them evils when things don't work out. I don't know if it is a split due to wage imparity, perception of glory hunter johnny come lately chancers from the old timers, language barriers etc but I hope Harry is savvy enough to know who is trouble and who is reliable then also know what to do with them.

It is a sobering thought when reminded that for us to stay up we will have to beat all existing records in the remaining games. Any team with as few points as us after so many games has been relegated and I'm sure that once we have been through plenty of emotional turmoil it will be back to the Championship next season.

F*kk me Grove - people have called me a miserable ol git, but you really are lying in the gutter with that one!
 
It is a sobering thought when reminded that for us to stay up we will have to beat all existing records in the remaining games. Any team with as few points as us after so many games has been relegated.

****ing brilliant isn't it? The glory of breaking all imaginable records, become a relentless survival machine, they'll overshadow whatever boring and predictable team wins the Premiership, be more famous than those Gooner Invincibles. Harold will be manager of the decade. Personally I would be happy for us to lose a few more games, just to make the comeback that bit more incredible.

Anyway, we won't lose once we've recruited Alien (CB) and Predator (CF) in the January window.
 
There is more than hope, and think of the glory as we dig ourselves out of this hole, the look of stupefaction on the faces of supporters of other clubs as we claw our way above them, one by one, point by point. 15th.

There is no such thing as a must win game until a single result guarantees relegation or survival.

I can understand this obsessive examination of other teams' results and debates over what we want to happen elsewhere, it's all part of the entertainment. But it's not for me, I'd rather slaughter a few fowl and examine the entrails, just as accurate and useful. And at least you get a chicken dinner out of it.

Don't agree mate.
It is vital that the teams around us lose games or we're down.
 
Don't agree mate.
It is vital that the teams around us lose games or we're down.
It's generally accepted that between 38 and 40 points are needed to avoid relegation. If, and I know that looks a very tall order at this stage, we get there, it won't matter whether the teams around us now win more games than us. If they do, they will simply be swapping places with teams currently above them. Everybody is unlikely to better the 40 point target. That's why it is pointless hoping for our co-strugglers to drop points.
 
Don't agree mate.
It is vital that the teams around us lose games or we're down.
Don't see what there is to disagree with Col. I said I understand why people obsess about other teams' results, but its not for me. Doesn't matter how much we speculate about different results permutations, it won't change the actual results.