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Kimi kept his foot in last time out. Can he do it again?

  • Sebastian Vettel

    Votes: 10 31.3%

  • Fernando Alonso

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • Kimi Raikkonen

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Mark Webber

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Lewis Hamilton

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • Jenson Button

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • Felipe Massa

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Nico Rosberg

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Romain Grosjean

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Sergio Perez

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Other< Kobayashi

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    32
  • Poll closed .
The question is, and I don't want to start anything volatile but is it something we expect?

Redbull took Vettel's car and started it from the pit-lane to maximise it's chances, as well as this Webber is moved out of the way and the earliest as soon as Vettel approaches.

Aren't Ferrari trying to maximise their chances?

Why are we going mental over it?
 
It's worse with Red Bull 'cos they have three cars to move out of Vettel's way while blocking any rivals. And this happens on a regular basis. I think this is pretty tame from Ferrari, TBH.
 
EternalMSC said:
You didn't read 80% of my post did you Chris, oh dear, the naughty step for you.
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eh?

Everything you mentioned sows the lack of sporting ethics shown by Red Bull & Ferrari?


To make it clear, being sporting is important to me. I'd rather lose by being fair then win by doing something I felt was wrong or manipulative. Sorry, that's just me.
 
Nothing was said over it though, if they want to do it they can, they are not breaching anything. Let the racing do the talking at the end of the day.
 
EternalMSC said:
Nothing was said over it though, if they want to do it they can, they are not breaching anything. Let the racing do the talking at the end of the day.
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Just because the FIA thinks its okay doesn't mean we can;t have our own opinions on the matter.

If the racing did the talking, all the need for so called 'team tactics' wouldn't be required.
 
Disappointed in Ferrari if this turns out to be true, but I can't say it surprises me. If Alonso wins the championship, nobody is going to point to this incident as being the defining reason, they'll point to Alonso's form all season.
 
His form has brought him to this point, so you cannot really par the title off if he wins it this way.
 
Stats!

In 18 races this season Vettel has retired from two with mechanical issues.
Of the five races he's started from pole, one he retired from and three he won, giving him a 3/4 conversion rate when the car lasts.
This means he has a 67% chance of winning today.

Alonso needs to make up three places to keep the title race alive if Vettel wins. He's done that six times in 16 races this season (excluding Germany where he won from pole, and Spa where he was taken out).

That gives Vettel a 42% chance of winning the championship this evening.
 
Benson says engineers believe those on dirty side will lose two places, so...

Scenario 1: No gearbox change, Massa(No.2) 8th and Alonso(No.1) 10th after the start
Scenario 2: Gearbox change: Alonso(No.1) 5th and Massa (No.2) 9th after the start

It makes perfect sense to change Massa's gearbox. Other teams may not be happy about it though:

Craig Scarborough &#8207;@ScarbsF1
If unhappy with ferraris gbox explanation the FIA might impose parc ferme rules, make massa start from the pitlane & not shuffle up the grid

Andrew Benson &#8207;@andrewbensonf1
Doesn't seem to be a rule saying teams have to prove gearbox has a problem to change it but some engineers believe that's the practice

Oskari Saari &#8207;@OskariSaari
Talked to C. Whiting. Ferrari can change MAS gearbox if they want. Don't have to prove there's anything wrong. No info if they'll do it.
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Thanks Charlie <ok>
 
@adamcooperf1: #F1 I hear via good source that Ferrari will indeed go for the Massa penalty. All they have to do is break the seal, not change 'box
 
Forza di Resta said:
Scenario 1: No gearbox change, Massa(No.2) 8th and Alonso(No.1) 10th after the start
Scenario 2: Gearbox change: Alonso(No.1) 5th and Massa (No.2) 9th after the start
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This is what I was thinking, it doesn't just boost Alonso one place, it could be worth as many as five.
 
di Fredsta! said:
How is it cheating?
But it's no worse than Red Bull demanding the Toro Rosso's out of the way..
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I never said it was. Read my comment properly.

Here is hoping they don't clean up the dirty side of the grid.

What's happening with Sky F1, is't coverage starting at 5?
 
So do Ferrari have to prove that the gearbox has a fault or not, we seem to have conflicting tweets? And if they don't, do they get charged with bringing the sport into disrepute, which they've undoubtedly done already?
 
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