I'm laughing at the scum trying to argue that being racist is ok if you are a spud supporter.
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They just won't admit that thousands of non Jews chanting 'Yiddo' might offend the Jewish community
and have resorted to calling me a WUM instead.
Classic case of having lost the argument and resorting to name calling.
It's how they are over there. pnp is one of those who sadly is nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is, but surrounds himself by thick cheerleaders who continually tell him he is wonderful because he can use words of more than one syllable.
They should all change their names to Notsosmart1, Notsosmart2, Notsosmart3 etc...
It made me chuckle when one of the poor dears claimed to have an IQ of 156, but forgot to place the decimal point after the 5.
(enter stage left Bonstar Wandit to hit negative rep once again
)
They should all change their names to Notsosmart1, Notsosmart2, Notsosmart3 etc...
It made me chuckle when one of the poor dears claimed to have an IQ of 156, but forgot to place the decimal point after the 5.
(enter stage left Bonstar Wandit to hit negative rep once again
)
It's how they are over there. pnp is one of those who sadly is nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is, but surrounds himself by thick cheerleaders who continually tell him he is wonderful because he can use words of more than one syllable.
They should all change their names to Notsosmart1, Notsosmart2, Notsosmart3 etc...
It made me chuckle when one of the poor dears claimed to have an IQ of 156, but forgot to place the decimal point after the 5.
(enter stage left Bonstar Wandit to hit negative rep once again
He is good at trying to wriggle out of taking any responsibility when he's lost an argument. A little dishonest and disingenuous, but there you go. He'd rather try and save face than admit that he might be wrong.
The 'I'm so clever, I've got a massive IQ' quote made me laugh. Nothing like a bit of faux self importance to try and distract the argument. Besides I wasn't calling him thick, I was calling him dense for not recognising that
THOUSANDS OF NON JEWS CHANTING 'YIDDO' MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE TO JEWS
But of course, their argument is that they've been doing it for years, so it's okay
He is good at trying to wriggle out of taking any responsibility when he's lost an argument. A little dishonest and disingenuous, but there you go. He'd rather try and save face than admit that he might be wrong.
The 'I'm so clever, I've got a massive IQ' quote made me laugh. Nothing like a bit of faux self importance to try and distract the argument. Besides I wasn't calling him thick, I was calling him dense for not recognising that
THOUSANDS OF NON JEWS CHANTING 'YIDDO' MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE TO JEWS
But of course, their argument is that they've been doing it for years, so it's okay
so,why do you lot chant it then?
Well this is the point isn't it. If it's an offensive word, then nobody should be allowed to chant it.
Spurs fans are claiming that they 'don't mean it offensively' but surely that's up to the Jewish Communtiy to decide ?
Spurs are not a 'Jewish' club, there are probably as many Jewish Arsenal fans as there are Spurs fans.
If a Jewish Arsenal fans chants 'Yiddo' and a non Jewish Spurs fan chants 'Yiddo' - who is right or wrong in this instance ?
Piskie, serious question as you are obviously intelligent, do you really think Spurs fans chanting "yid army" and other things similar, is meant in a racist way? I'm sure the vast majority ofJews would not be affected by this one bit. There's always the extremists in all religions who take offence to the smallest of things to use as an excuse, which sadly make the world the dangerous place it is today.
He is good at trying to wriggle out of taking any responsibility when he's lost an argument. A little dishonest and disingenuous, but there you go. He'd rather try and save face than admit that he might be wrong.
The 'I'm so clever, I've got a massive IQ' quote made me laugh. Nothing like a bit of faux self importance to try and distract the argument. Besides I wasn't calling him thick, I was calling him dense for not recognising that
THOUSANDS OF NON JEWS CHANTING 'YIDDO' MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE TO JEWS
But of course, their argument is that they've been doing it for years, so it's okay
Just got a PM from Spurf, a spud mod, threatening to ban me unless I remove my signature. These are the same people that are arguing in favour of freedom of speech on their board. You couldn't make it up, the ****ing hypocrites
I don't think it's meant in a deliberately racist way no. I think Spurs fans believe that they are reclaiming the word from it's racist overtones in a similar way to the way some black people have 'claimed' the word ******.
The problem is that Spurs are not a 'Jewish' club, they have some Jewish fans, as do Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham and other London clubs. There's no exclusivity for Spurs fans to have the right to claim the word 'Yid' from the Jewish community and appropriate it for their own use - i.e. as some kind of tribal camaraderie for a football club. That is somewhat belittling to Jews who have suffered racial abuse, let's not forget that the word 'Yid' is a derogatory word for Jew. It's akin to thousands of white people chanting '******' and then claiming they are doing it to champion the causes of black people - patronising at best, quite likely very insulting and in fact would fall foul of race hate laws.
Spurs' defence is that their fans don't mean it offensively. The difficulty is that if you allow one person to chant 'Yid' on the basis that they don't mean to cause offence, then anybody could claim the same thing. It would be very difficult to prove in law the difference between the two. The waters are muddied further by the fact that genuine Jewish opposition fans could reasonably be entitled to use the word 'Yid' within their Yiddish culture and subsequently be chastised for it, when at the same time non Jewish Spurs fans are allowed to use it, regardless of their intent.
THFC's claim that 'We don't mean it offensively, therefore nobody is offended' is insensitive at best. Surely it's up to the Jewish Community to determine whether it's offensive, not Tottenham FC. The BSL are claiming that they have consulted with members of the Jewish community and they are not happy at it's continuing use at WHL, therefore there is a legitimate claim that it DOES OFFEND MEMBERS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
Personally, I think the whole 'Yiddo' and 'Yid Army' chanting is outdated. There was a time when '******' or 'Paki' or 'Bender' was considered harmless, in time when people were educated, it was actually considered to be quite derogatory and appropriate measures were taken. I think Spurs fans need to grow up a bit and realise that this can actually cause offence and stop being so defensive about it. The excuse 'We've been doing it for ages' doesn't really wash anymore. They have no right to use it and unless they and THFC take measures to stamp it out, then I think in time the law will force them to do so.
This isn't a case of the 'Thought Police' Versus 'Freedom of Speech' as some would like to make it out to be. This is a case of recognising that it's actually a derogatory word, and regardless of the intent behind it's use, there are sections of the Jewish community who find it offensive.
It was fans of other teams including arsenal that HISS (pretending to be gas ovens) and singing offensive anti jewish songs at spurs fans that led to us calling ourselves YIDDOS and using the term as a term of pride and affection towards our players.
The issue is not that there is a debate about whether this is any longer relevant or whether us using the term allows racist scum to use the term...the outrage from spurs fans is that self appointed lawyer who:
1)has said NOTHING during the suarez or terry affair,
2)who said NOTHING about the lack of black asian or jewish managers in football, who has said NOTHING about Lazio fans racistly abusing our black players,
3)said NOTHING about UEFA fining Bendtner MORE for showing his pants than both Poland and Serbia for their fans appalling racism,
yet accuses us of racistly abusing jewish people....how are we anti semetic?
He has said NOTHING about the vicious anti semitism we have faced for years ... yet gives us 3 weeks "to stop the abusive anti semitism".
They are making anti racism a joke.
Spurs fans may be wrong but we ain't anti semetic.
Sorry, but he did talk about the Suarez and Terry affair. He said that they were 'a slap on the wrist' and didn't go far enough. Peter Herbert hasn't just singled Spurs out for criticism either, he's talking about the issue of racism as a whole and how it's still not being addressed firmly enough. As a part of that, he's saying that the anti-semitic chants at WHL should also be addressed, presumably both by visiting fans and Spurs fans.
I think the focus has fallen on Spurs fans in particular, because they have mistakenly believed that they have always been the victims of anti-semitic abuse, when in fact, unwittingly by chanting 'Yiddo' and 'Yid army' they have been gulity of engaging in racial chanting themselves, regardless of their intent to 'claim' the word for themselves.
The SBL claim that in discussions with members of the Jewish community, they are not happy with the continuing use of the chants at WHL, so there is evidence that this does offend the Jewish community.
Also both David Baddiel, Gary Linkeker and Ledley King have lent their weight to the debate in the 'Kick it out' film. The latter, Spurs players, presumably to remind spurs fans that it's not just 'us against them' but that members of your own team are actually saying that it's no longer acceptable.
I don't think people are saying that Spurs fans are anti-semitic, they are saying that you are using a derogatory word, inappropriately and that it's time to change.
He said NOTHING about either terry or suarez when it occurred.
And he is saying spurs are anti semitic....he has made comments bout thousands of fans chanting anti semetic chants at WHL.
As for David Badiel...when he was host of Fantasy football he was more than happy to mock spurs history/ reputation as a jewish club...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?url=ht...jewish&usg=AFQjCNEUadR3ZEwhZJuaXjx8uyLwZiIBDQ
He has never made a video demanding his beloved chelsea stop singing "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz" at any point since they first sang it in 1981 ... nor a video against them hissing...
We are NOT mistaken about the anti semetic abuse we have had thrown at us over the years...to claim that is naive, disingenuous or a lie.
To equate that abuse (hissing, references to gas chambers etc.) to us refering to ourselves as yids (as in we don't care) is a joke....a very unfunny one at that.
There is an argument that says that the abuse has noticeably lessoned due our appropriating the word.
There is also an argument that says it gives racists something to hide behind. And an argument that says it is insulting to some/all/a majority of Jewish people.
As I have said a debate is valid... the the BLA is on dangerous ground... it is illegal to have white only clubs in this country...their arguement about us lends itself to those same laws being applied to stop black associations such as theirs
have an association as it could be considered to be anti white and therefore racist.
Context is everything.
the Black Lawyers Association was set up BECAUSE of racism... the white only BNP/NF were set up to promote racism ... the are different cos the MOTIVE IS DIFFERENT.
If the BLA were not accusing us of being anti semetic they'd be engaging in a debate via the clubs magazine, membership communications, programmes etc. but instead they have given us a 3 week deadline and threatened us with police action as we are being malicious.
Like I said they are missing the point by a country mile and are damaging the anti racist cause
And he is saying spurs are anti semitic....he has made comments bout thousands of fans chanting anti semetic chants at WHL.
As for David Badiel...when he was host of Fantasy football he was more than happy to mock spurs history/ reputation as a jewish club...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?url=ht...jewish&usg=AFQjCNEUadR3ZEwhZJuaXjx8uyLwZiIBDQ
He has never made a video demanding his beloved chelsea stop singing "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz" at any point since they first sang it in 1981 ... nor a video against them hissing...
We are NOT mistaken about the anti semetic abuse we have had thrown at us over the years...to claim that is naive, disingenuous or a lie.
To equate that abuse (hissing, references to gas chambers etc.) to us refering to ourselves as yids (as in we don't care) is a joke....a very unfunny one at that.
There is an argument that says that the abuse has noticeably lessoned due our appropriating the word.
There is also an argument that says it gives racists something to hide behind. And an argument that says it is insulting to some/all/a majority of Jewish people.
As I have said a debate is valid... the the BLA is on dangerous ground... it is illegal to have white only clubs in this country...their arguement about us lends itself to those same laws being applied to stop black associations such as theirs
have an association as it could be considered to be anti white and therefore racist.
Context is everything.
the Black Lawyers Association was set up BECAUSE of racism... the white only BNP/NF were set up to promote racism ... the are different cos the MOTIVE IS DIFFERENT.
If the BLA were not accusing us of being anti semetic they'd be engaging in a debate via the clubs magazine, membership communications, programmes etc. but instead they have given us a 3 week deadline and threatened us with police action as we are being malicious.
Like I said they are missing the point by a country mile and are damaging the anti racist cause
Nobody is saying that Spurs were mistaken about the anti-semitic abuse directed at them, what is being asserted is that Spurs fans are unwittingly engaging in anti-semitic abuse by chanting the word 'Yid'. Regardless of their intent, the word is a derogatory term for Jews and it is claimed that there are sections of the Jewish community who are unhappy at Spurs fans continued use of it at WHL.
It doesn't really matter who has raised this as a problem, what matters is whether the law deems it to be of a racial nature or not. THFC's claims that 'it's not meant to offend, therefore nobody is offended' isn't really an excuse. Members of the Jewish community have indicated that they are offended, so that's what will carry the weight when deciding.
As I mentioned, the excuse that 'we've been doing it for years and it's not been a problem' isn't really a robust defence either. Just because something has been going on for a long time, it doesn't make it right. Lots of minority groups were the subject of derogatory name calling for years, do you think that it was justified because it had been happening for a long time?
Spurs fans might not like it, because they have identified themselves by it, but it may be time for them to recognise that in the 21st century, chanting a derogatory name for Jews is no longer acceptable.
It doesn't really matter who has raised this as a problem, what matters is whether the law deems it to be of a racial nature or not. THFC's claims that 'it's not meant to offend, therefore nobody is offended' isn't really an excuse. Members of the Jewish community have indicated that they are offended, so that's what will carry the weight when deciding.
As I mentioned, the excuse that 'we've been doing it for years and it's not been a problem' isn't really a robust defence either. Just because something has been going on for a long time, it doesn't make it right. Lots of minority groups were the subject of derogatory name calling for years, do you think that it was justified because it had been happening for a long time?
Spurs fans might not like it, because they have identified themselves by it, but it may be time for them to recognise that in the 21st century, chanting a derogatory name for Jews is no longer acceptable.
Address the issues that i raised...
you mentioned Badiel...so why can he mock spurs for having a jewish background? Is he therefore NOT being anti semetic? Why use him as being a valid person who is offended by spurs fans calling OURSELVES yiddo's when he has NEVER produced any campaign materials condemning his fellow chelsea fans for the disgusting anti jewish songs and noises they have subjected us to for decades?
Why is no one mentioning the continued anti semetic hissing and songs that we are STILL faced with from certain fans ... the BLA has said NOTHING about that?
Spurs are not ABUSING anyone so it is deliberately misleading to say that spurs fans are UNWITTNGLY ENGAGING IN ANTI SEMITIC ABUSE.
We may be confusing the issue, we may be wrong but we aint ABUSING anyone unlike those who continue to hiss at us or sing their filthy songs.
Our yiddo chants only started AFTER we were abused by racist scum
you mentioned Badiel...so why can he mock spurs for having a jewish background? Is he therefore NOT being anti semetic? Why use him as being a valid person who is offended by spurs fans calling OURSELVES yiddo's when he has NEVER produced any campaign materials condemning his fellow chelsea fans for the disgusting anti jewish songs and noises they have subjected us to for decades?
Why is no one mentioning the continued anti semetic hissing and songs that we are STILL faced with from certain fans ... the BLA has said NOTHING about that?
Spurs are not ABUSING anyone so it is deliberately misleading to say that spurs fans are UNWITTNGLY ENGAGING IN ANTI SEMITIC ABUSE.
We may be confusing the issue, we may be wrong but we aint ABUSING anyone unlike those who continue to hiss at us or sing their filthy songs.
Our yiddo chants only started AFTER we were abused by racist scum