Do germany have something similar? It appears to me like most german teams have a lot of germans rather than foreigners. Or is that just what they like doing over there?
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Surely levels of debt are part of FFP. Utd are up to their eyes in Debt, which is surely unsustainable in the long run.
Cue Luke to put me right..................
Meaning we would lose the cream of talent we get to watch week in week out. I couldn't give a stuff really about England, it's the Prem I watch week in week out, and untill the coaching at Youth level improves we will go back to Kick n rush football again.
Who would you rather pay n see: Defoe - Rooney - Crouch or Tevez - Aguero - Ade?
The problem is also not just because of over seas players, look how poor England were in the 70's and 80's, how many Johny foreigners were there then?
You can tell how rubbish our homegrowns are by how many foreign teams want to buy them.
Meaning we would lose the cream of talent we get to watch week in week out. I couldn't give a stuff really about England, it's the Prem I watch week in week out, and untill the coaching at Youth level improves we will go back to Kick n rush football again.
Who would you rather pay n see: Defoe - Rooney - Crouch or Tevez - Aguero - Ade?
The problem is also not just because of over seas players, look how poor England were in the 70's and 80's, how many Johny foreigners were there then?
You can tell how rubbish our homegrowns are by how many foreign teams want to buy them.
I think the rule changes to football are the real reason English players have declined. The more 'robust' form of the game has steadily declined as 'protection' of attackers has changed the nature of the game. We used to allow tackling from behind (as long as the ball was contacted) barging of Goalkeepers all this was an advantage to England as we have never produced an abundance of skilled ball players and when we did they were often not trusted to play for England.
The game has changed to the advantage of teams Like France & Spain who used to struggle in the old form, although having said that Germany seems to have adapted quite well. The real root is money and the power Sky has given to English clubs to buy rather than develop.
The fair play rules will level the field a little but creative accounting will become more important and that might mean accountants playing a bigger role in transfers and if they have anything like the effect they have had on British companies it wont be good.
I think that the whole idea's stupid and badly conceived.
There needs to be something put in place to stop teams from using what they call financial doping to dominate, but the FFP ruling wouldn't do that.
It would just give the upper hand to teams with larger revenue, which can easily be unduly influenced.
Put a wage cap on squads and make it the same across the whole of UEFA.
If you want to have a player like Ronaldo in your side, then that's fine, but you won't be able to have 25 of them and stick a few out on loan too, just in case.
There needs to be something put in place to stop teams from using what they call financial doping to dominate, but the FFP ruling wouldn't do that.
It would just give the upper hand to teams with larger revenue, which can easily be unduly influenced.
Put a wage cap on squads and make it the same across the whole of UEFA.
If you want to have a player like Ronaldo in your side, then that's fine, but you won't be able to have 25 of them and stick a few out on loan too, just in case.
QPR, Villa and West Ham would certainly be in trouble as well - but that's not Bacon Face's concern, is it?
The version of FFP they have in the Championship is farcical enough - if a club isn't financially stable, they get a whacking great fine. Yet if said club gets promoted, like QPR did, they can pay off the fine with the Premier League cash they'll get, so can carry on being reckless (and, should they be relegated, they have parachute payments that will also encourage reckless short-term spending)
It;s pretty obvious that he's hoping for points deductions, essentially an admission that his team couldn't keep up with City on the pitch last season (City would've won the Premier League with two games to spare if referees were remotely competent and could see Ashley Young was diving throughout April just to keep them within touching distance), rather than any legitimate concern about club's finances.
And, as I stated before, he wasn't asking for FFP when United were the financial powerhouse of the Premier League and using it to poach and unsettle players from clubs threatening to break the Top 4 monopoly.
Under the current UEFA legislation, debt isn't the issue as such. What matters is your balance sheet, P&L account. You are only allowed a reducing P&L loss over a few years. After that, you are theoretically supposed to at least break even. Therefore, debt is fine, so long as the repayments don't tip your accounts into the red.
It doesn't necessarily follow that any Premiership legislation would be a carbon copy of the current UEFA one. If it's thought through properly, and the most obvious loopholes such as incestuous sponsorship deals are closed, I think it could potentially work. It really does depend on, if this goes ahead, and what the proposed legislation consists of.
Even if all of the loopholes were closed, what would it achieve?
Maintenance of the status quo? Not sure why that's desirable.
Nobody wants to see clubs spending beyond their means massively in order to give themselves what many perceive to be an unfair advantage.
I also don't want to see the usual suspects using their financial muscle and dubious practices to keep themselves well ahead of everyone else, either.
If we're going to try to make things fair, then let's do it properly.
Unfortunately, smart arse accountants are a fact of life. The more money you have, the more "creative" an accountant you can afford. No legislation, including wage caps is going to be foolproof - there are always ways and means of getting around them. I would still maintain that a properly constructed set of FFP rules would at least curb the more ridiculous excesses of City, Abramovich, et al.
MLS has these sort of measures - but they can, given the limited pool of players to pick from, along with the fact promotion and relegation aren't an issue.
The only true way to make the Premier League competitive is to have a wage cap and crack down on bigger clubs tapping up players.
The FFP is designed to help the old order keep us much of their grip on the game as they can but Hell it can still only help us so go for it I say
The FFP is designed to help the old order keep us much of their grip on the game as they can but Hell it can still only help us so go for it I say
Meaning we would lose the cream of talent we get to watch week in week out. I couldn't give a stuff really about England, it's the Prem I watch week in week out, and untill the coaching at Youth level improves we will go back to Kick n rush football again.
Who would you rather pay n see: Defoe - Rooney - Crouch or Tevez - Aguero - Ade?
The problem is also not just because of over seas players, look how poor England were in the 70's and 80's, how many Johny foreigners were there then?
You can tell how rubbish our homegrowns are by how many foreign teams want to buy them.
I agree I enjoy watching the premier league more than England at the moment but surely deep down you always want your own country to do well and I think the FFP will only increase our chances for this. If te money was used on training at grass roots level then I'm sure we will se a improvement however this will take a long time!
Why would it help us? We have the 6th largest revenue and are about the 6th most successful club.
On paper the clubs it would help are Utd and Arsenal.
It might also help West Ham as their revenue is bigger than their yo-yo existence would warrant.
On paper the clubs it would help are Utd and Arsenal.
It might also help West Ham as their revenue is bigger than their yo-yo existence would warrant.
The potential financial firepower of Man City, basically an oil state owned and financed club, cannot be compared to anything we have ever seen in the game. Even Abramovich is a relative pauper comparatively. Left unhindered, they will, in the very near future, completely dominate the game in this country, and probably in Europe as well. Man Utd's situation cannot be compared in any way to the resources at the disposal of City.
As Has been said many times, it is the unfettered use of unearned funds by extraordinarily rich owners to support the massive spending of clubs like, City and Chelsea, that makes the playing field so uneven.
As Has been said many times, it is the unfettered use of unearned funds by extraordinarily rich owners to support the massive spending of clubs like, City and Chelsea, that makes the playing field so uneven.
14 of 20 clubs would need to agree.
Because ManC (in particular) and Chelsea wouldn't be so far ahead of us if they weren't allowed to make losses of £178m and £72m respectively, as in the figures you posted. If the difference is tens of millions instead of hundreds of millions then the competition is much closer and we stand a better chance of finishing ahead of them.
Whether or not Utd in fact generated the revenue for the RVP transfer themselves I still think that regardless of the exact wording of the FFP rules there will be a major shift in the views of the media etc. on big spends like RVP. I know they've been getting a bit of stick from certain areas of the press regardless of this (or at least they were before RVP started scoring) but I think that if FFP is implemented effectively and in the right spirit then we could well see a shift of attitudes by the FA and hopefully the media (hell, I can live in hope can't I?). Hopefully this will curb the likes of City, Chelsea, PSG etc. although I do hear the arguments that it will only help those who are in a good position when the rules are introduced.
Most of us would hope for more equality ( of opportunity, at least) in football, and in life in general. However much we would hope for that, in reality, it ain't going to happen. Not in football, nor in life. We can, however, try and at least level the field a bit. That's what I'm hoping that the Premiership committee will do.