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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by brb, Aug 28, 2012.

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  1. Saint Possum

    Saint Possum Well-Known Member

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    What is it with some of you blokes,
    Every time I look on our site Joe you are always trying to be little someone who doesn't share your opinion in one way and another.
    It really is bloody sad
     
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  2. Dan

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    Nice to see the mods trying to restore "off topic" order has caused some great harmony on here. Stellar work once again, guys!
     
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  3. Joe!

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    Everyone knows who you're talking about.
     
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  4. ImpSaint

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    I think you are discovering that the Mods put a post up r.e. off topic which most agree with. A small proportion decided 'I'll do what I like' and are now seeing a response in favour of the MODs stance. It is our forum too, not just yours or anybody elses.

    Similar to a night last year on here where it went mad for a night and threads appeared one after the other because of 'Mini Hitlers'. A mere glitch in comparison to some Riots last year where a few thought we'll do what we want, then complained about justice when they were jailed only to find that the general public weren't giving out any sympathy
     
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  5. Joe!

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    What you guys don't seem to realise is that you're guilty of the very thing you're complaining about - insults, clutter and immaturity. At least I haven't been insulting people. Pot, kettle, etc.
     
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  6. ImpSaint

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    Do they? If the cap fits mate. I named no names unlike the direct insults that some on here have been making.
     
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  7. SFC4BAG

    SFC4BAG Well-Known Member

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    Sadly it would appear that the opening post to this thread was a complete waste of time. Instead of it slowing the arguments it has seemingly brought nothing but, in response. If we are all Saints fans I just don't understand why we have to have such vitriol.

    Whether it is just an opinion it is just that and without replies being clear and concise in argument/disagreement against it we will always end up with the same old story.

    If someone, me for example, says something that you don't agree with, why can't it be explained with sense and reasoning? Is it that difficult?
     
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  8. Dan

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    Yep. As I proved earlier in the Stevenage thread, even a very calm and simple disagreement will cause people to think you're launching an attack. The internet just isn't great for sensible and reasonable discussion in the majority of cases.
     
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  9. St George

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    Let's be honest here. The guys like Mr Nice, Joe Steinberg , DTLW, Gay Bacon strips etc. Whatever you may think of us, we keep the board going. You older guys always go on about "Twitter Nonsense" whenever we mention anything on there, but Twitter shouldn't be dismissed as "childish"; every signing Southampton has brought in has been brought in, has been called days, weeks before on Twitter. Yet you old guard constantly slag us off at the mention of the Site.

    You old guys are always moaning about lack of news: WE ARE THE NEWS. The whole Gaston saga has been updated by DLTW all the time on that thread, yet you, RLGB and the mods aren't fond of us because we are "know-it-alls". Well guess what, if we went, there wouldn't be much in the way of updates. Us "younger lot" filter out the bogus transfer rumors from the good correct stuff, because as Football has become a more global game, we are the ones embracing that. Us younger guys (although at 16-21 isn't exactly primary school) watch a lot of football, and tell whether a player is good enough or a viable transfer. Yet the old guard always go on about only buying from the british market. If you don't agree, Fran said about it.

    Saints have to be operating globally. The british market is so so overpriced, and if Gaston Ramirez would be far far more expensive if he was English, and so the Clubs have to look further afield. The younger lot like me , Mr Nice, Joe Steinberg etc watch and regularly read about the global football world, and can tell the older lot if they could listen. Yet we're being labelled as trouble, being very vicious to people. It's only because the Older people can be belittling towards us. We get labelled as rude know-it-alls; well guess what? We do know a lot. Because we have embraced the globalization of our game, not staying in the ancient times. You should thank us, not belittle us. and because we get belittled, we have to argue back. That is why we are seen as unruly.

    Embrace us, not push us away. Because we keep this board alive with the news.


    Thanks.
     
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  10. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Actually, I disagree. The real secret is not believing;

    1. That any opinion expressed other than ones own has no merit and must be wrong
    2. That said other opinion must be justified on the public board and subjected to aggressive cross-examination
    3. That the other person, should they want to avoid such a confrontational approach has lost the argument and can be therefore looked down on as a spineless waste of space.

    Respecting the other guy is the starting point. Unless of course they are just trolling, in which case a stiff ignoring is the way forward, not fronting them up. I can think of a Pompey poster who used to get so many bites on here it wasnt true!
     
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  11. Joe!

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    I hope you're taking note of all the insults on here Channon. I assume you like to dish out your justice equally.
     
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  12. JDub

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    If these guys are forced off this board will die a painful death.

    (I'm not one of them - I'm too nice).
     
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  13. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    That's a great post, full of passion. I am not sure if I qualify as the "old-guard" you are referring to and I agree that twitter is a great source of good information and, like the Internet, a load of old twaddle as well. This is not an age thing, I don't think. Firstly, I don't know the age of most of the posters on here. Some have a persona almost defined by it in a self-mocking parody (Twitter....what's a Twitter then?) and others have identified their age through stating that they are a student or by cultural references (Armstrong thread, for example). But can you give me an example of where the specific complaint is about the age of the poster, rather than the attitude or behaviour and then, perhaps unwisely, generalised? And anyway, when you say that "you keep the forum going" is it just possible that others might post more often if they felt that it was less likely they would have their opinions shot down in flames?
     
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  14. olddellboy

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    "Embrace us, not push us away. Because we keep this board alive with the news"

    please don't take this the wrong way, but what arrogant nonsense. just because someone cuts and pastes comments from unknown people on twitter, it doesn't mean its real news. Most people are put off by the continual bad mouthing of anyone with a contrary opinion, which a very small, but vocal minority taking it upon themselves to dish out on a regular basis. The young dismiss the old at their peril, because with age comes experience. Experience of how futile continual bickering can be, would be very beneficial to our younger posters.
     
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  15. SFC4BAG

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    I don't mind it if someone disagrees with one of my posts but do if all they say is abusive. To make a point it would be far better all round if you could explain the reasoning for your views. Even if it is simply a feeling that you have.

    I am one of these old guard that is mentioned but I have a Twitter account and a Facebook one as well as my Space. Not used as often by me as by the young I will admit but chatting to people last year from Australia and New Zealand when they had their tragic weather and seeing pictures that weren't on the news certainly opened my eyes. You will not see me belittling people no matter what they post though at times I will disagree.

    As Channon tried to explain it is lack of respect rather than age that disturbs.
     
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  16. Dan

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    Uh huh.
     
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  17. ImpSaint

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    Joe - i named no names. I didn't insult anyone even those who decided for themselves that they were who I meant. Ask me who I meant. I will tell you....that it's for me to know. If you want to label me for insulting someone then detail where I mentioned anyone's name!!!!

    Even where I mention that several people are putting images up knowingly to avoid the swear filter I haven't mentioned their name.

    So rather than say Justice should be served out equally (and yes I am assuming unknowingly that you mean me because you have already detailed your annoyance toward me) then you should read my posts properly and see I have not named nor hinted who I mean in any way!!!

    p.s this is the only thread that I will be clicking the 'view post' on any of your posts ;) I am using the ignore list from now on.

    To the poster above warbling on about 'us young uns'. I have been a Saints fan for years. We have always embraced foreign players since the premier league and EU regulation made it easier to employ foreign footballers. We had great teams with great foreign players throughout the past 20+ years. Do you think it is a modern phenomena that kids watch a lot of football??? The only difference between now and then was the speed of announcements. You read tweets tonight, we read newspapers the next day. We found out down the pub rumours, today we find out very quickly on forums. So don't get all this 'without us' garbage. It is actually quite a recent thing (to my knowledge) that more and more people talk about buying British. Seemed to disappear for a long time at the advent of the Prem.

    The simple fact is (and I am only 37) that we knew respect both for elders, friends and acquaintances. If we swore in a pub too loudly and thought people outside of our circle had heard it we would do an 'embarrased' mouth cover Oops.

    Similarly on here we carry on this etiquette of respecting that our 'informal speech' may offend others and restrain it somewhat.

    We aren't trying to push anyone away, just ask that anyone young or old respect that the way they speak, act or talk may offend others and do what my generation (I'm only 37) did without even thinking.

    On here I will be much more polite, much less boisterous, much more restrained than with 'my mates'. It's something that just comes naturally because of the way I and most others I know were brought up. Maybe it a failure of the facebook generation where 'young uns' as you call yourself think that everyone is their friend and so they speak as freely with no compromise as we would with our 'mates down the pub'.

    I don't know but rather than pass our comments off as 'fuddy duddy' and say we need to get with it, then maybe you should think about it a little more with an open mind.

    Some of us like it to be uber polite with no wasted space but accept a compromise because they understand others think otherwise.
    Some of us have potty mouths in the real world with familiar people yet restrain from that kind of language online because they understand other don't like it.
    It's about a compromise. The 'old guard' are already makng their compromise by not demanding 100% compliance with that their grandparents would have expected however the other half (the so called young uns) seem not to notice this and refuse to move from their stance.

    We are already in the middle ground and you have to meet us there not insist we all move to your side of the argument

    Oh and yes I understand long posts annoy some. It's something I had done very well at minimising until tonight. I understand and respect other people get annoyed with it so I try very very hard not to type too much. Doesn't always work but at least I am prepared to do something about it.
     
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  18. Joe!

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    Eugh please end this crap about age. There are a lot of posters on this forum who are considerably older than I am. I consider some of them to be decent posters, and there are others I'm not such a fan of. I won't name names, but there are posters on here in their 30s and 40s who have said some of the most moronic and insulting stuff I've ever read. Some people are just destined to be stupid their entire lives.
     
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  19. St George

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    And there we go. I'm slaughtered because apparently we only copy and paste from unknown people. Errrr, like the people closest to the transfers?
     
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  20. SFC4BAG

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    Impssaint it may be drawn out but you have put your point across well. +1
     
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