England Euro 2012 thread.

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Was there not an offside in the buildup anyway to that Ukraine disallowed goal anyway?

And agreed Spurlock, Parker is an absolute machine. Like the footballing equivalent of the Terminator.
 
Plus even at 1-1 we still would have won the group.

Cunning plan that, getting four defensive errors to happen for our goal.
 
Spurlock said:
2 smashing finishes by the Swedes tonight.

Ibra has been strong this tournament...i have criticised him much...but the guy has immense skill.

Seb Larsson got the other...who by the way i think would look great in a Spurs shirt...to replace Modric to some extent?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18181977
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I used to be part of the "he is over rated gang" but in all honesty he is a beast! intelligent on and off the ball, made john terry look like a little boy with his strength and you can see why he is so highly regarded.
 
Parker the unsung hero of the England team thus far, has barely been mentioned by the media but he has barely put a foot wrong and hasn't stopped running despite not being fit. The photo of him on the Beeb at the moment is superb.
 
Spurlock said:
it is not Ukraine's fault that the ref in the World cup match against Germany was inept..so its not fair etc etc...however this is football and once again 2 things are confirmed..

1) goal line technology
2) shoot them people pretending to be refs near the goal..they are pathetic.
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I suppose we'll have to wait for someone in Blatter's family to go into the Goal line technology business. Then we might finally see it's introduction.
 
Woy is saying that the disallowed goal was justice because of Portugal which I don't remember and Germany which I do. I don't see what they have to do with each other as it's a completely separate match and team. I need to look again to see if it was offside. Reference to Germany in 1966 our ball didn't cross the line and was given after hitting the bar and the last world cup it crossed the line and wasn't given after hitting the bar. Football works in strange ways as it was the same teams.
 
Times England have benefited from the lack of goal-line technology
vs West Germany, 1966 World Cup
vs Spain, Euro '96
vs Ukraine, Euro 2012

Times England's opponents have benefited from the lack of goal-line technology
vs Germany, 2010 World Cup

Are England fans sure they want goal-line technology?
 
1. If the Ukraine goal had stood we still would have gone through as group leaders at 1-1.

2. Solve one problem with goal line technology, highlight another. If the goal is given because of technology, what happens to the bad decision that didn't pick up the offside before it went "in"? I believe that the senior ref should be off the field with the technology and given the power to overrule the officials on the field... gives a job to experienced and respected refs who are no longer allowed on the field, and makes it more likely that the right decision will be given. Sure it will take getting used to , but that goes for any major change, for example the current offside rule compared to the old, backpass to keeper etc.
 
vimhawk said:
gives a job to experienced and respected refs who are no longer allowed on the field, and makes it more likely that the right decision will be given.
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That's a pretty good idea, especially as those that run the Referee's Association want to get rid of the older officials.
 
The Mighty Thor said:
Woy is saying that the disallowed goal was justice because of Portugal which I don't remember and Germany which I do. I don't see what they have to do with each other as it's a completely separate match and team. I need to look again to see if it was offside. Reference to Germany in 1966 our ball didn't cross the line and was given after hitting the bar and the last world cup it crossed the line and wasn't given after hitting the bar. Football works in strange ways as it was the same teams.
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2 wrongs dont make a right.....ive been calling him Roy but for that comment im going to call him Woy!
 
vimhawk said:
1. If the Ukraine goal had stood we still would have gone through as group leaders at 1-1.

2. Solve one problem with goal line technology, highlight another. If the goal is given because of technology, what happens to the bad decision that didn't pick up the offside before it went "in"? I believe that the senior ref should be off the field with the technology and given the power to overrule the officials on the field... gives a job to experienced and respected refs who are no longer allowed on the field, and makes it more likely that the right decision will be given. Sure it will take getting used to , but that goes for any major change, for example the current offside rule compared to the old, backpass to keeper etc.
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I don't want perfect officiating, just better officiating, otherwise we'd end up with games lasting 3/4 hours and being boring as **** like American football(sorry RWAEB).

As I've just posted on the Euros board, the standard of refereeing can and should improve and the football associations need to help them by retrospectively cracking down on cheats and clarifying the rules to help with consistency. For example at the moment you could give 10 refs 10 different handball penalty shouts and they'd all give you different answers to which is and isn't a penalty.
 
I would like to see goal-line technology introduced in all major football. No, I wouldn't like to see every single offside, corner, etc go to a video ref. as YV says the game would go on forever. But goal-line technology is relatively simple to decide in a matter of seconds in 99.9% of cases. The right result is then given. I'm sure the officials in last night's game strongly suspected that the ball had crossed the line. But, of course, unless they are 100% sure, they can't give it. A quick look by a video judge would have easily arrived at the correct decision. No-brainer, IMO.
 
i think it is obvious which decisions need a review.....plus i think each team should be given an allocation...for example each team can only refer to video evidence twice per match or something...that will put things into perspective..instead of contesting every nudge and shirt pull.
 
I'm in favor of using technology, but not at the expense of more interruptions to the game. With respect, I don't think many of you realize that if you start with a beautiful game, and keep finding ways, times, excuses and reasons to stop play (moving the audience's eye from players playing to officials, commentators and other assorted goofballs dicking around) you end up with the NFL. A telling and attractive aspect of football is that nobody really knows how much time is left in the game.

The thing to do, or at least to try, I think, would be to have a review board working while the game goes on, announcing reversed decisions when they reach them, maybe only at a stoppage of play. You may want to add playing time so the teams which come out on the short end of them aren't penalized by the delay in their announcement.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
I'm not sure the NFL is a good example to use because there are lots of other shenanigans, which we wouldn't stand for. We aren't going to wait five minutes for a free kick whilst we listen to messages from our sponsors.

The better examples are both codes of rugby here where games are not unduly delayed by referrals to video refs. Offside is an issue which demands the correct decision is made straightaway- and therefore doesn't lend itself well to the use of technology- but most other decisions should benefit from the ability to refer and review.
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Exactly. The technology has worked in RFU for some time now, where decisions are far less cut and tried than most goal- line decisions. Nevertheless, it rarely takes more than one minute to decide the most unclear of situations. In the vast majority, the referee will simply say, " is there any reason I cannot award a try?" and get a response within a few seconds. Most goal line decisions would be of similar brevity.
 
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