Atheists, Fascists and the St George's flag

[DevAdvocate]

According to Fan:

- Having the St. George flag in your signature makes you a hypocrite if you don't believe in God because the flag is directly linked to Christianity.

- Muslims forcing five year olds to get married has nothing to do with Islam.

There lies the logic of the mentally ill

That sounds about right for him. I suppose the Red Cross are hypocrites too, and any ambulanceman who happens to have a red cross on their vehicle.

Some people in Saudi Arabia got a bit upset during the 1st Gulf War when vehicles had Red Crosses on them, so pedantic and intolerant were these people that all vehicles had to have a Red Crescent on them in place of the offending Red Cross, despite the fact that the vehicles were only there to protect Saudi from an attack by Saddam.

In summary, he is not alone in his view.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

That sounds about right for him. I suppose the Red Cross are hypocrites too, and any ambulanceman who happens to have a red cross on their vehicle.

Some people in Saudi Arabia got a bit upset during the 1st Gulf War when vehicles had Red Crosses on them, so padantic and intolerant were these people that all vehicles had to have a Red Crescent on them in place of the offending Red Cross, despite the fact that the vehicles were only there to protect Saudi from an attack by Saddam.

In summary, he is not alone in his view.

hmm..


' The Saudi arabian Red Crescent Society (SARCS) wafounded in 1983, and later became the 91st member of the Red Cross Society'

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

you completely misunderstood it. either that or you were trying to take it down some other route which you had googled/wikkied answers to. Read the OP and your first response, doesnt make sense

It makes perfect sense. Your comprehensions skills are severely lacking, which has been demonstrated repeatedly.

so what is it explicitly christian or not exclusively christian?
I know you love wikki so here you go
'A saint is a holy person.[1] In various religions, saints are people who are believed to have exceptional holiness.'

Saints are exclusively Christian, claims of holy men aren't. More comprehension failure, Fan.
The Wiki article refers to other Christian-based faiths, like African Diaspora, as adopting the Christian saints.
It also mentions similar holy figures for other religions, like the Wali of Islam or Tzadzik of Judaism, who aren't saints and definitely aren't the same people.

what? the God of the Abrahamic religions is the same God. If a muslim doesnt acccept that its the same God he is in trouble.

Which is why I said this, "A Muslim doesn't recognise the Christian version of god".
Same god, different version.

As for Hindus being less connected with the notion of holiness, are you insane? they derive holiness from virtually everything

Which is why I said this, "they'd be even less connected with this notion of holiness".
This, not the. More comprehension failure.

As for Jesus being the messiah, hindu's refer to jesus as 'eesa massi' in other words jesus the messiah.

Hinduism is impossible to generalise, as it has so many different variations.
You're referring to one specific view, which sees Jesus as one of the avatars of Vishnu, if I remember right. Isa Al-Masih, slightly changed?
Seems to stem from something of a hoax and I don't think it's a very popular belief.
A very modern interpretation from the last 100 or so years.

So now you dont accept the dictionary definition of hypocricy?

Not the definition that you've quoted, no. Where did you get it from?

A hypocrite would be say Jimmy Swaggart, someone who preached a certain message then got caught with hookers
If a person did have a problem, say drinking, but warned others not to it can never be hypocricy IMO and Islam teaches us that too

I agree.
That doesn't tally with the definition that you quoted though, as that alcoholic would behave in a way that he didn't believe was right, but wouldn't be a hypocrite.

It is clearly the case, you defend staunchly anything remotely linked to Israel and the Jews
Your stance on Israel/Palestine is so one sided you are falling over. The conflict today shouldnt be judged on what is happening now, but how it started and the palestinians were not the aggressors.
You are the only person suggesting being called a Jew is an insult, its not the first time you have mentioned it. why the self loathing?

More comprehension failure and a clear admission that you can't even begin to accept any view of the Israel/Palestine situation that differs to your own, thus the anti-Semitic insults.

No I gave you quotes and you linked them to said web sites. Its clear as day 'you shall return minus the 6 million' etc etc

Nope, doesn't exist, which is why you can't show a reliable link to it.
If it's in the Torah, then you should be able to point out exactly where it is. Why can't you?

No You put forward quotes from answeringIslam and have been trying to back track as soon as I laughed at you

No, I didn't. Jip did. You've mistakenly believed that it was me ever since though, for some reason.

I know thats what I told you, in fact I laughed at you and did ask you questions which you failed to answer. You did backtrack on some of it though

More bullshit.

What? you have labelled me a denier because I want to see what the true figures are, thats one example

No, I've labeled you a denier because that's clearly what you are, as your anti-Semitic views make abundantly clear.

Its absolutely what I am doing, always has been. You have no answer so as usual resort to labelling. Funnily enough it has always been the israeli/jewish way to label and shoot down any questions

See?

The figure is paramount, if its not 6m what is it 9m? 1m? what? The whole conflict in the Middle East hangs on the 6m prophesy. World politics is affected by that prophesy. How can you seriously claimiyt is irrelevant?

Because everything that you've said there is utter gibberish.
If 5.5m Jews died instead, it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to anything that you mention.

yet you took the time to find an post their insignia.

To show how ludicrous it is that you stand with these people, as they absolutely hate you and everything that you stand for.

what is sad is that you claim to be an atheist, a follower of science etc yet you exclude certain views etc based on a background because you want to win an argument
IF a point is raised regarding a subject, the ONLY reasonable way is to admit or discredit that point.
Even this thread and the bit about fascists flying the st georges cross is acknowleging and then discrediting the fascists.

Their point holds no weight because they haven't offered a single thing to show that it does hold any.
It's clear what their agenda is as soon as you do the slightest bit of digging, especially when they continue to offer up The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual document.
It was outed as a forgery in 1921.

As I mentioned to you in my other post (which you havent addressed yet by the way, why is that?) its not just these organisations that have queried these figures

Yet it's those that you go to for your information.

Here is that bit you havent gone through point by point

And I have no intention of doing so, as the exact figures are irrelevant.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

It makes perfect sense. Your comprehensions skills are severely lacking, which has been demonstrated repeatedly.



Saints are exclusively Christian, claims of holy men aren't. More comprehension failure, Fan.
The Wiki article refers to other Christian-based faiths, like African Diaspora, as adopting the Christian saints.
It also mentions similar holy figures for other religions, like the Wali of Islam or Tzadzik of Judaism, who aren't saints and definitely aren't the same people.



Which is why I said this, "A Muslim doesn't recognise the Christian version of god".
Same god, different version.



Which is why I said this, "they'd be even less connected with this notion of holiness".
This, not the. More comprehension failure.



Hinduism is impossible to generalise, as it has so many different variations.
You're referring to one specific view, which sees Jesus as one of the avatars of Vishnu, if I remember right. Isa Al-Masih, slightly changed?
Seems to stem from something of a hoax and I don't think it's a very popular belief.
A very modern interpretation from the last 100 or so years.



Not the definition that you've quoted, no. Where did you get it from?



I agree.
That doesn't tally with the definition that you quoted though, as that alcoholic would behave in a way that he didn't believe was right, but wouldn't be a hypocrite.



More comprehension failure and a clear admission that you can't even begin to accept any view of the Israel/Palestine situation that differs to your own, thus the anti-Semitic insults.



Nope, doesn't exist, which is why you can't show a reliable link to it.
If it's in the Torah, then you should be able to point out exactly where it is. Why can't you?



No, I didn't. Jip did. You've mistakenly believed that it was me ever since though, for some reason.



More bullshit.



No, I've labeled you a denier because that's clearly what you are, as your anti-Semitic views make abundantly clear.



See?



Because everything that you've said there is utter gibberish.
If 5.5m Jews died instead, it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to anything that you mention.



To show how ludicrous it is that you stand with these people, as they absolutely hate you and everything that you stand for.



Their point holds no weight because they haven't offered a single thing to show that it does hold any.
It's clear what their agenda is as soon as you do the slightest bit of digging, especially when they continue to offer up The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual document.
It was outed as a forgery in 1921.



Yet it's those that you go to for your information.



And I have no intention of doing so, as the exact figures are irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

Not even going to bother with the rest until you address this bit.
You have called me anti semetic etc based on me questioning/querying the figures and wanting the figures clarifying
you have argued incessantly with me about the holocaust and the 6m dead
You have accused me of basing my arguments on neo nazi sites

Now you are refusing to answer something because you have been OWNED. and claim the figures are irrelevant?
IF that is and was the case why not just say that instead of arguing over treblinka so many times?

The questioning od certain details in reference to the holocaust is not anti-semetic. It has been questioned by many scholars and many a person from the Jewish background

There is more evidence to suggest the 6m figure is incorrect than correct. The only evidence supporting it is from a nazi who was threatened and wrote/said certain things citing heresay and under fear of getting sent to certain places.

This information turns the whole notion of the holocaust and history itself on its head.

 

[irishgreen]

Was Roger Moore not a saint?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Was Roger Moore not a saint?

'the' saint unlike that Ian ogilvy or whatever his name was

 

[irishgreen]

'the' saint unlike that Ian ogilvy or whatever his name was

Indeed Fan, he never had the eyebrow.

 

[irishgreen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ewj8HEEcvo




COAT! <run>

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

This information turns the whole notion of the holocaust and history itself on its head.

And therein lies the crux of it. Pure holocaust denial.
You don't want to get a more exact figure of those killed, you want to rewrite history and claim that it didn't happen.
The exact number are irrelevant.
Millions of Jews died, but you probably even dispute that.

I disputed your claims about Treblinka because they were and are utter rubbish, which you based upon a non-existent report from a neo-Nazi.
That's not an accusation against you, as you seem to be claiming, but pure, inarguable fact.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

And therein lies the crux of it. Pure holocaust denial.
You don't want to get a more exact figure of those killed, you want to rewrite history and claim that it didn't happen.
The exact number are irrelevant.
Millions of Jews died, but you probably even dispute that.

I disputed your claims about Treblinka because they were and are utter rubbish, which you based upon a non-existent report from a neo-Nazi.
That's not an accusation against you, as you seem to be claiming, but pure, inarguable fact.

so all the people who have been involved in revising the figures are now deniers?

why dont you address the issues point by point as you would normally? or is it simply that you cannot?

'history' as we know it is simply incorrect, whats your problem with correcting it? You claim you are a follower of science because science accepts its mistakes and corrects them, so why not now?

I do dispute the numbers bein cited and taken as fact, and have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are incorrect, backed by scholars jewish and non
60m ish people died in the war, what your point

re Treblinka, 3 studies and not a single one can confirm. Including sturdy colls most recent study. Soemone you excitedly tried to use as ammo against Krieges findings

show me her works, you know the ones that are not allowed to be published, although ALL PHD thesis are openly available generally. The figures around Treblinka are as inconsistent as teh aushwitz ones. We know for FACT that Aushwitz were in fact exaggerated masssively, so it follows that with the lack of evidence for Treblinka it may be the same

Face it you were wrong, the 6m is a myth and to be taught it in schools/colleges/universities is in essence lying to our kids

If the figs and stats are lies then the conflict in the ME is based upon that lie and being perpetrated today

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Trying to make the numbers as accurate as possible isn't holocaust denial.
Trying to rewrite history in order to, "turn the notion of the holocaust on it's head", clearly is.
That's as open an admission as possible.

Krege didn't have any findings, Fan.
Where are they? Why haven't they been published?
This is all of your supposed evidence against a ton of it saying that you're wrong.

The conflict in the Middle East has nothing to do with the exact number of Jews that were killed in the holocaust.
That's a ridiculous claim.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Trying to make the numbers as accurate as possible isn't holocaust denial.
Trying to rewrite history in order to, "turn the notion of the holocaust on it's head", clearly is.
That's as open an admission as possible.
I have only ever questioned the figures
you can take it as you wish, which is what you do anyway, however if the 6m figure suddenly becomes an estimated 2m in total the that does rewrite history and turn the notion on its head no? remember 60m people died and 12m russians (?) in context the subsequent 'history' and consequences have been a farce
In some countries its illegal to question the figures for crying out loud, so much for honesty and facts etc
Krege didn't have any findings, Fan.
Where are they? Why haven't they been published?
This is all of your supposed evidence against a ton of it saying that you're wrong.
Thats the point he found nothing and has subsequently spoken of it. Your 'evidence' in the form of Colls has done the same study recently and nada
She isnt even allowed to publish her findings and passed her PHD without a thesis it seems
All the 'evidence' points to it being exaggerated at best, and not true at worst. If aushwitz can be studied and revised why not treblinka?
and if that can go from 4m to less than 1m then why not treblinka?
The conflict in the Middle East has nothing to do with the exact number of Jews that were killed in the holocaust.
That's a ridiculous claim.

The holocaust and the claims of numbers killed during it is what got sympathy/empathy and lead to approval.
The desire for a homeland had 'persecution' at the heart of the argument
Dress it how you want. If the figure is even half of 6m then there will be uproar, that is why its never discussed and those raising it get labelled deniers

Do YOu accept the figure is inaccurate?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

You're questioning the figures in order to totally remove the idea of a holocaust, Fan.
I can't imagine a more thorough attempt at denial, which is further given away by your attempt to deny that the Jews were persecuted.
Utterly ridiculous.

The Armenian Genocide was the systematic murder of less than 2m people.
That doesn't make it any less appalling.

Krege didn't "find nothing", he made absolutely no findings. He didn't publish a single thing.
Your claims about Sturdy-Colls are similarly empty and without proof, as are your attempts to get the numbers down at Treblinka.

Is the figure inaccurate? No, it's entirely accurate, according to the information that's currently available.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

You're questioning the figures in order to totally remove the idea of a holocaust, Fan.
I can't imagine a more thorough attempt at denial, which is further given away by your attempt to deny that the Jews were persecuted.
Utterly ridiculous.
sorry but thats the delusion you wish to believe and perpetrate. I have always acknowledged that Jews have been persecuted throughout history
I have even cited Islam as protecting them from persecution and the 'golden years' etc
The Armenian Genocide was the systematic murder of less than 2m people.
That doesn't make it any less appalling.
even 1 death is too much if the reasoning behind it is things like ethnoc cleansing. Thats not the point
The holocaust as genocide I dont have issue with, genocides occur all the time unfortunately (but are yet to have the consequences of teh holocaust)
The term holocaust is misleading too if you read the literature. Holocaust refers 'sacrifice' through fire. sacrifice for what? the creation of Israel? what?
Krege didn't "find nothing", he made absolutely no findings. He didn't publish a single thing.
Your claims about Sturdy-Colls are similarly empty and without proof, as are your attempts to get the numbers down at Treblinka.
Krege has presented his findings, as evidenced by the fact that I was able to post them on here, he also does talks etc. ebven that isnt the point
Sturdy colls has never published anything, yet is a bastian for 'proof'. proof of what exactly? where is her paper? why is it not allowed to be published?
Is the figure inaccurate? No, it's entirely accurate, according to the information that's currently available.

which one? 5 or 6? and as i have given you evidence its far from accurate. 4m became less than 1m
Ironically the 6m is based on a nazi's testimony, albeit false and clearly under duress

The information we have today clearly supports the notion that the figures were in fact exaggerated, and made to fit

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

sorry but thats the delusion you wish to believe and perpetrate. I have always acknowledged that Jews have been persecuted throughout history

No, it's what you claimed.
"The desire for a homeland had 'persecution' at the heart of the argument".
Either they were persecuted and the argument stands or you're saying that they weren't.
Which is it?

The term holocaust is misleading too if you read the literature. Holocaust refers 'sacrifice' through fire. sacrifice for what? the creation of Israel? what?

You've taken this directly from the neo-Nazi sites, again.
The term was used in the past for a wide variety of things, including the Armenian Genocide.
Was that a sacrifice to god, too?
Eddie would be proud of that conspiracy theory hokum.

Krege has presented his findings, as evidenced by the fact that I was able to post them on here, he also does talks etc. ebven that isnt the point

He hasn't presented his findings and you didn't post them on here, at all. That's a complete lie.
He made claims about what he had found, but never presented anything to back any of it up.
He also claimed that he was going to publish his findings in a book, back in 2001. Where is it?
The man won't even answer questions about the dates that this study supposedly took place.

Sturdy colls has never published anything, yet is a bastian for 'proof'. proof of what exactly? where is her paper? why is it not allowed to be published?

I've no idea whether her paper is available or not. You're the only one I've seen claim that it isn't and has been prevented from being published.
Does her study prove anything, one way or the other? I don't know.
Given the Polish investigation of 1943, studies done in the 60s by the Germans and Martin Gilbert's examination of the place in the 50s, you'd have to admit that it all suggests that you're wrong.
That's before you factor in all of the other evidence, like the Hofle telegram and other paperwork, as well as testimony from all sides.
Even if you don't accept that all of that proves the numbers claimed to be correct, the ground disturbance indicated by everyone shows that Krege's claims are false.

which one? 5 or 6? and as i have given you evidence its far from accurate. 4m became less than 1m
Ironically the 6m is based on a nazi's testimony, albeit false and clearly under duress

The information we have today clearly supports the notion that the figures were in fact exaggerated, and made to fit

No, it doesn't and the only reason that you're claiming that is because you believe that Jewish scripture says 6m, which it doesnt.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

No, it's what you claimed.
"The desire for a homeland had 'persecution' at the heart of the argument".
Either they were persecuted and the argument stands or you're saying that they weren't.
Which is it?

specific response to a specific item you raised. However I do think historically Jews have been persecuted at different times. I also believe the jews were not the only persecuted group with Hitler, which is often forgotten. Its also fact that the persecution has been used mercilessly to argue for a homeland

from wikki (as you love it) ''Persecution of Jews played a key role in preserving Jewish identity and keeping Jewish communities transient, it would later provide a key role in inspiring Zionists to reject European forms of identity''

''Persecution of Jews began to decline following Napoleon's conquest of Europe after the French Revolution although the short lived Nazi Empire resurrected most practices. In 1965 the Catholic Church formally ended the doctrine of holding Jews collectively responsible for the death of Jesus.''

zionism always used the 'persecution' element. eg In 1882, after the Odessa pogrom, Judah Leib Pinsker published the pamphlet Auto-Emancipation, arguing that Jews could only be truly free (automatically emancipated) in their own country and analyzing the persistent tendency of Europeans to regard Jews as aliens:

or in 1902 Theodor Herzl argued that the creation of a Jewish state would enable the Jews to join the family of nations and escape antisemitism



You've taken this directly from the neo-Nazi sites, again.
The term was used in the past for a wide variety of things, including the Armenian Genocide.
Was that a sacrifice to god, too?
Eddie would be proud of that conspiracy theory hokum.

Its also the same definition on non neo nazi sites. look it up on wikki for example.
However it solely used for the death of the alleged 6m Jews, although many scholars believe it should be used wider and represent the whole 11 -17 million people killed during WW2 (again source =wikki for your benefit). If 6m is the max for Jews and 17 m the max totally then holocaust should be used for the non Jews surely?

He hasn't presented his findings and you didn't post them on here, at all. That's a complete lie.
What? I posted his findings which was he found no evidence....
He made claims about what he had found, but never presented anything to back any of it up.
He has made presentations in many countries as I have already posted tfor you
He also claimed that he was going to publish his findings in a book, back in 2001. Where is it?
probably with colls report or this may explain it Krege's planned "The Krege Report. Ground Penetrating Radar Research at the Operation Reinhardt Camps Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor, " has not seen the light of day due to the fact that all productions at THESIS&DISSERTATIONS PRESS have completely halted due to GERMAR RUDOLF'S imprisonment in Germany
The man won't even answer questions about the dates that this study supposedly took place.
October 1999


I've no idea whether her paper is available or not. You're the only one I've seen claim that it isn't and has been prevented from being published.
Does her study prove anything, one way or the other? I don't know.
yet ahe was your 'evidence' that proved me wrong
Given the Polish investigation of 1943, studies done in the 60s by the Germans and Martin Gilbert's examination of the place in the 50s, you'd have to admit that it all suggests that you're wrong.
been through this with you too. inconclusive at best. Interesting how the figure here have changed dramatically too. Also interesting is that work has been carried out there since 2010 and nothing as yet
That's before you factor in all of the other evidence, like the Hofle telegram and other paperwork, as well as testimony from all sides.
Even if you don't accept that all of that proves the numbers claimed to be correct, the ground disturbance indicated by everyone shows that Krege's claims are false.
As I said work going on since 2010, and as yet nada


No, it doesn't and the only reason that you're claiming that is because you believe that Jewish scripture says 6m, which it doesnt.

no it doesnt what? The changes of figures from 4m to less than 1 suggests they were in fact exaggerated.
Explain the claims of 6m throughout history please, thanks

 

[thefanwithnoname]

It really does not matter whether it is 6 million or 4 million, it is still a ****ing holocaust and a piece of history that should never be repeated. The only people that care about the numbers are contemptable ****ing ****ers who try to use the fact that NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW THE EXACT FIGURE as an excuse to try and deny it ever happened simply because they hate a section of people as much as the Nazis did. Utter ****ing ****ers......

It matter a great deal, we should know the truth and should be allowed to question the discrepancies

Kids in Iraq shouldnt be killed based on a false premise, yet there are enquiries etc to determine the number. Dont see anyone saying they havent been killed

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

(Bangs on about persecution)

So, as you accept that the Jews were persecuted, you clearly don't have a point about them claiming that.
You accept that they were.

Its also the same definition on non neo nazi sites. look it up on wikki for example.
However it solely used for the death of the alleged 6m Jews, although many scholars believe it should be used wider and represent the whole 11 -17 million people killed during WW2 (again source =wikki for your benefit). If 6m is the max for Jews and 17 m the max totally then holocaust should be used for the non Jews surely?

The terminology is irrelevant, except to religious loons like yourself.
Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge about WWII knows that the Nazis rounded up a variety of people, a number of whom you also seem to hate, coincidentally.
You'd have signed up for the Jews and gays, in all likelyhood!

What? I posted his findings which was he found no evidence....

He's never posted any findings, bar one extremely grainy picture which could've been taken anywhere.
It's never happened. Ever. No findings have been published. Comprehende?

He has made presentations in many countries as I have already posted tfor you

No, he hasn't. He's attended 3 holocaust denial conferences and presented absolutely no evidence at any of them, preferring to make the same unsubstantiated claims, instead.

probably with colls report or this may explain it Krege's planned "The Krege Report. Ground Penetrating Radar Research at the Operation Reinhardt Camps Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor, " has not seen the light of day due to the fact that all productions at THESIS&DISSERTATIONS PRESS have completely halted due to GERMAR RUDOLF'S imprisonment in Germany

Prosecutions in Germany have halted the production of a book by an Australian working for some American publishers?
Germar Rudolf is the guy who ran the company who produced the book with the "you will return minus 6m" claim, by the way, Castle Hill Publishers.
He plead guilty to charges of inciting hatred, disparaging the dead and libel and he's been out of jail for nearly 3 years.

October 1999

On which dates? He has no record of entering or leaving the country and there's nothing to suggest that he even conducted this study at all.

yet ahe was your 'evidence' that proved me wrong

No, there's plenty of evidence that proves you wrong and nothing to suggest that you're right.

been through this with you too. inconclusive at best. Interesting how the figure here have changed dramatically too. Also interesting is that work has been carried out there since 2010 and nothing as yet

Yes, we've been through this and I was clearly right and you were utterly wrong, as usual.

As I said work going on since 2010, and as yet nada

Utter failure to address any points at all.
Krege claimed no ground disturbances, yet all of the previous studies noted them and the Germans even took photos that clearly showed it.
He's utterly, undeniably wrong and only someone hoping to push their own agenda would back his ridiculous, unfounded, unsupported claims.

no it doesnt what? The changes of figures from 4m to less than 1 suggests they were in fact exaggerated.
Explain the claims of 6m throughout history please, thanks

The information that we have today doesn't support your claims.
There is no 6m figure in Jewish scripture, which is why you've repeatedly failed to show the presence of it.
If it's in the Torah, then say where. That's extremely easy to do. Why can't you do it?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

So, as you accept that the Jews were persecuted, you clearly don't have a point about them claiming that.
You accept that they were.
did you read the quotes? Jews were persecuted, then stopped being persecuted but didnt stop pretending to be persecuted = we need homeland

The terminology is irrelevant, except to religious loons like yourself.
Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge about WWII knows that the Nazis rounded up a variety of people, a number of whom you also seem to hate, coincidentally.
You'd have signed up for the Jews and gays, in all likelyhood!
irrelevant because you know I am right.
not many people know the figures and no one calls it the gay holocaust, or the disabled holocaust or the gypsy holocaust. This is why terminology is important. By making my points and seeking clarification I am acknowledging the atrocities committed against gays, YOU must hate gays/disabled/gypsies etc by your definition


He's never posted any findings, bar one extremely grainy picture which could've been taken anywhere.
It's never happened. Ever. No findings have been published. Comprehende?

Say it as much as you want, doesnt make it less true. nothing found, as the colls lack of report and the 2010 expidition and lack of findings has proven
also there is pictorial evidence of Krege on site, dont tell me photoshop

No, he hasn't. He's attended 3 holocaust denial conferences and presented absolutely no evidence at any of them, preferring to make the same unsubstantiated claims, instead.

were you at them? He simply says he did x y and z, found no evidence of the mass graves and wants a full investigation to back up the claims
sound reasonable to me. Thought you were into science/logic/rationale?

Prosecutions in Germany have halted the production of a book by an Australian working for some American publishers?
Germar Rudolf is the guy who ran the company who produced the book with the "you will return minus 6m" claim, by the way, Castle Hill Publishers.
He plead guilty to charges of inciting hatred, disparaging the dead and libel and he's been out of jail for nearly 3 years.

well it makes sense if he wants to go to these places and carry out research, no point him being banned from doing so. Not suprised rudolph pleaded guilty, so would i for a reduced sentence and 21k loss instead of 214k loss financially


On which dates? He has no record of entering or leaving the country and there's nothing to suggest that he even conducted this study at all.

I have tbh here and say i dont know the exact time/day/temperature etc. sure it may be available but I am not even going t look as it bears no relevance to the discussion. The australian papers I have quoted for you previously point to him having been to treblinka so thats that imo
However I do think the real issue here is in the actual claims of treblinka and the whole 'perfect crime' claim. In a nutshell germand killing almost 900k jews, burying them, then digging them up later and burning them and burying them

No, there's plenty of evidence that proves you wrong and nothing to suggest that you're right.

yet you seem to be having difficulty providing it. The response was actually in response to you pointing a link to a newspaper article on Colls last time, with your usual 'oops' or 'sorry' (cant be bothered to look), however it turned out to be pretty sorry and a bit of an oops as her case proves nothing was there as evidenced by her lack of thesis. Her initial claim being to prove Krege wrong and the subsequent lack of anything

Yes, we've been through this and I was clearly right and you were utterly wrong, as usual.
yeah ok then . 4m becomes 1m fact. no evidence fact. is ther a study going on since 2010? yes any results? no


Utter failure to address any points at all.
Krege claimed no ground disturbances, yet all of the previous studies noted them and the Germans even took photos that clearly showed it.
He's utterly, undeniably wrong and only someone hoping to push their own agenda would back his ridiculous, unfounded, unsupported claims.

As I proved last time there was no actual evidence of mass graves in any study to date. and as i said study going since 2010 on the sites specified by 'witness statements' and no mass graves, nothing, nada. If 4m can become less tha 1m then 900k can easily be 10 or 20 (and I dont mean 100 or thousand I mean 12345678910)

The information that we have today doesn't support your claims.
There is no 6m figure in Jewish scripture, which is why you've repeatedly failed to show the presence of it.
If it's in the Torah, then say where. That's extremely easy to do. Why can't you do it?

What? so 4m didnt become 1m?
You havent explained the 6m in history either, always 6m not 5 not 7 6, why?
I gave you the evidence the last time and have consistently given you evidence of the changes in figures this time form jewish scholars as well as non jewish yet you refuse to accept and have no evidence at all.
I gave you newspaper reports from america, with pictures of teh headlines made by senior jews and rabbis claiming 6m from the early 1900's, which you keep ignoring
why waste time on any more?

Funny thing is you claim to be an atheist, and claim to follow science and logic etc
yet here science has shown that some of the claims are simply ludicrous, yet you cannot accept them

and you claim I am antisemetic because i question the figures and ask for evidence
yet you consistently question and ask for evidence of God etc but claim you are not antiGod
what gives?

 

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Once again, Fan makes some really valid points that NO ONE can address!!

Shalom.